Originally posted by zoya_naziya
My problem with Madhu is not that she is no more angelic or a devi,etc... She wants to teach her husband a lesson and wants him to feel the pain of love... I am with her if that is what she wants...
My exact problem with Madhu is that she is giving a wrong impression to Sultan that she is being oppressed and portraying RK as the tyrant...
In fact, Madhu and the viewers all know that RK considers Madhu his equal, his match... She knows it is only she who can stand upto him and actually win against him as well... So why give those pathetic abla naari looks to Sultan that give him the false impression that she needs to be saved from RK..
Well I think most of the writers here would agree with me to some extent...
Responded by Myself
Zoya.
I agree with you and I have the answer. Madhu always trusts outside world far more than RK.
Even when Dipali was barging into her bedroom, Madhu did not stop her from coming in. How ugly and distasteful scene that was.
Till date, do we have any answer why Madhu tolerated and never gave stern looks to Dips ? Because if she gave those looks, she would have been in RK's camp. Madhu has to be always antagonist to RK.
So even now, Madhu has to be anti to RK and create a problem in the form of Sultan to RK.
Will we have an answer, how this is digestible...Nope, Because Sultan is another catalyst like Dips.
Radhaji blessed Rishbala and Dips created Rishbala
Now Dips does not have a value, so she is seeking Sultan's help. For Dips to do that, MAdhu had to make sure she became friend to Sultan,
Once Sultan becomes the irritating 3rd party that , Rishbala will again kickstart.
Dips is obsessed with RK and MAdhu.
Now Sultan is also getting obsessed with Madhu and RK.
Now Sultan cannot just think of Madhu as Madhu. Today they established that now if Sultan remembers Madhu, he has that anger like Dips that RK is with Madhu.
So you see now...today's advantage to Rishbala is that Sultan was forced to accept through Aryan that MADHU IS NOT FREE as he thinks. THERE IS THAT RK which he has to deal and he cannot shoot RK because Madhu already asked him NOT to interfere and interfere he will for sure like DIps.
Diference is that Dips could run into their bedroom as she was in the same house, they cannot bring Sultan under same house :))) So they might create drama...where Madhu will be seen in RK Mansion or Sultan Mansion.
Do you now see the masala ? Full Potboiler drama!
Chances are also that Madhu might be using Sultan like RK used Dips ...like her test of love idea. Sultan's unwanted interference can be used by Madhu against RK, and most of the time Sultan will end up getting RK and Madhu closer as RK's love will grow deeper. Lose RK will...but remember her needs to develop heart...so all those loss will be for RK's Ego and gain for RKs heart.
We will know this more clearly in Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday episodes.
By Hima
I remember your post where you said you consider the changes in Madhu as a progression in her character and I second that...I also agree with Shri,on the cv's need to make Sultan Madhu's friend...so,he could harbor feelings for her,there by create drama and at the end bring Rishabala more and more closer...To achieve this ,to an extent they are making Madhu give the wrong impression but,if Sulatan is willing to see, there are many clues and hints for him to understand that this is not a one way equation all the way...Leaving aside R.K's car convo which clearly showed that R.K is not just a cruel husband with no love for his wife but,is in fact totally in love and missing her...,
1.He was a witness to Rishbala's holi dance from start to end...though R.K comes across a little dominant,it was pretty clear that Madhu was giving in,not able to go away and was totally drawn to R.K
2.Madhu quite clearly said he doesn't have any right to come in between their family...she
said 'hamara parivaar' meaning she considers R.K her family and its a matter btw them...
3.The reason she gave for the tears was she lied to R.K,her mother and to herself...so,she was sad that she lied to R.K too, along with her mom...doesn't it show that R.K is as important to her as her mother...shouldn't he consider the possibiliity of Madhu loving R.K too
4.and finally she clearly said what ever the problem is she cannot share it with him...made it clear to him to stay away...doesn't want him to be privy to her and her hubby's matters...
After today,its clear to me that his own wish to have Madhu for himself is what is making him turn a blind eye and see the things the way he wants to see...R.K was right...Sultan/villain has become insecure...Hope Monday's Madhu's hot dance with her hot hubby would knock some sense in to him that he shouldn't come btw miya biwi's jagda's...
Responded by Myself
Hima,
Thank you for those bullet points. We needed this listed. Why ? Because officially. Sultan will crossover to obsession area in coming week. So far he had been acting all gentlemanly.
Add to that list...
Sultan at first when he met Madhu acknowledged that RK was Madhu's husband and a powerful man. And next time when he kidnapped her, asked Madhu to comply else her husband will be in trouble, which was a threat given to her at Chawlgate to.
So CVs intelligently have graphed his transition in a swift manner within two months from a gangster to good father to good widower to reformed man to turning lover to protector to interfering friend and now obsessed lover-whatever.
RK named him at first as Neeli Aankho wala, Sadakchaap and now Aashique Pistolia.
When Sultan kidnapped Madhu at gunpoint, she was all fine to be kidnapped. Such was the zeal of CVs to have Sultan established in Madhu's inner circle. Commendable turnaround by CVs to degrade Sultan into obsessed lover from catapulted Dolphin Entry 
If I ignore the impropriety of using a kid by CVs...I see that CVs ridiculed Sultan's eagerness in such a hitting manner by having him listen to his kid and that too who knows that Madhu stays with RK...which Sultan keeps forgetting in actions or memories unless Madhu reminds him. Bad part was when MAdhu did not want him to be dropping her at RK mansion...and yet he forgets his own proposition and help of parking his car far away...as he follows her to the gate.
If I ignore the impropriety of using a kid by CVs...I see that CVs ridiculed Sultan's eagerness in such a hitting manner by having him listen to his kid and that too who knows that Madhu stays with RK...which Sultan keeps forgetting in actions or memories unless Madhu reminds him. Bad part was when MAdhu did not want him to be dropping her at RK mansion...and yet he forgets his own proposition and help of parking his car far away...as he follows her to the gate.
Going by name calling trend of this show, Sultan needs to give a name to RK...because good girl like Madhu also gave name such as GutterQueen to Dips.
Originally posted by Soundarya22
Can i be permitted to suspect (because this serial is not amenable to speculations and predictions) that Sultan is going to derail Madhu's plan with his own brand of friendship ?? He may end up messing up all her grand plans for RK? I will park that thought here as babbling nonsense. 
On the surface, from Madhu's behaviour all we can gauge is that she needs a friend and he's volunteered.
And he takes his relationships verrry seriously.
And he takes his relationships verrry seriously.
Responded by Myself
Sounds,
Glad that you see this. I said the same thing. See how he messed up on Thursday/friday for Madhu. RK is already in suspectful mode...and what's happening is that like Madhu thinks of RK to be taught lessons, RK is infact learning lessons by himself. I don't think this is what Madhu planned for.
See what I was saying...
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What were the most important dialogues between them?
Sultan = I will always interfere if anything wrong happens to you
Madhu = Kyon Sultan ?
Sultan = Tum Jhoot mujhse nahin bol saktiMadhu = Aur sach main tumhe bata nahin sakti
Now this really does not bode well for Madhu. Things may turn out to be at her advantage or disadvantage if Sultan keeps interfering her business.
Ex: Like today. Madhu wanted to meet him, maintain the anonymous relationship (like she says to RK, koi rishta nahin hai mera uske saath) and walk back to RK mansion as unnoticed as she was when left the premises. But Sultan followed her and made sure, she gave him lovey dovey looks and that (soft) hand that he held for quite sometime. But poor Madhu, to her disadvantage the CCTv camera caught it. Saari Mehnat Bekaar gayee because of Sultan's unwanted interference. Now she has do that much extra "patana" of RK that she is all his and no one else's.
In the same token, if he thinks, she can never lie to him and she tells him that she can never mention the truth to him, this too can be matter of advantage and disadvantage to her. For ex: an imaginary situation where RK "pit bhi sakta hai Sultan se" if Sultan sees Madhu expressive face that does not lie and may show pain and when she refuses to tell him the truth what she really means by that kind of painful face. Advantage, you see. But somedays, it may turn unpleasant also.
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Originally posted by pnars
There's some biblical phrase about "Out of the mouths of babes..." etc, and how the CVs used it today! Very cheap, ST/RS/GH, very cheap, to have a 5-year-old lisp out your plan for this track.
The award for the most perceptive viewer goes to Shri, who's been seeing this coming for a long time now. 
The "good girl" Madhu will go to the "good family" of Aryan, Sultan and dear old Kaka before long.
The "good girl" Madhu will go to the "good family" of Aryan, Sultan and dear old Kaka before long.
Today, I felt a twinge of sympathy for RK. Right now, no one is on his side, not completely, not even Bittuji. In fact, maybe even RK is not on his own side. It is completely set up for him to fall.
The episode kept me engaged, despite the numerous promos and off-screen moments we've been "treated" to. I must say, that restaurant looked el-cheapo. What would it have taken to do this in a real restaurant I wonder...?
Responded by Myself
P,
Now that award is given, let me also show peeps that I do deserve it, 
Oh! God!! me the braggart... But seriously...I liked those portions of your review.
Oh! God!! me the braggart... But seriously...I liked those portions of your review.
Seriously, I am really thinking...how can you use kids? Agree that kid is gangsters kid and motherless...but then over TV medium. Do you think we should go to that broadcasting content complaint-box for these kind of things. I am sure there are no rules...but heard that Shabana Azmi heads it. Isn't she okay person to review these thing? I am upset at rampant increase of branding people with labels in the show...to the extent that they are using even kids.
And re RK getting our sympathy when a kid who is not even 5 yrs old I guess is mouthing him as Ganda (btw the kid has not seen RK, just heard his voice) and a 30 year old man's takes it as WISDOM, then CVs have indirectly shifted audience to RK's camp.
And see what I said on Thursday episode and that is what started happening since yesterday.
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If this was a war between equals tomorrow we should have an interesting episode where RK will get a chance to show his RK'esque mind.
But this is a war of unequals. The CVs this time are determined to have RK lose everywhere with Madhu and her allies. So RK's RKeasque will be defeated by himself when he would get too eager to believe M or would want her to win him with her answers. Basically he would be ready to get sold, which we viewers will gulp it down with little difficulty. But I guess then we should look for RK antics and go for our LOLs.
Let me count how many ways he has lost with Madhu since revenge track and Sultan Entry Track
- Madhu wins the 3 day bet and continued to work at the Studio. Madhu gets back on her feet.
- Sultan has bit by bit made RK feel himself like a loser. And on top of it, CVs give trendy wardrobe to Sultan, but give shirts to Superstar. CVs (Mukta Dhound) ask Sultan/AR to tone up his body, where RK/VD does not maintain his fitness (ofcourse he doesn't get time ...not to offend RK and VD fans). Madhu can easily now lose fear of RK.
- RK has started looking a crazy person whereas Sultan looks such a gentleman ready to escort milady and his kid. He is basically a good person. Madhu can now easily get out of love for RK and befriend Sultan
- And lastly RK has become gullible and over-confident of Madhu's love and commitment for him. Madhu is all set to strike when iron is red hot
What is still the saving grace for him ? Somewhere his instincts are still sharp, which allow him not to go for shooting himself or anyone else. Somewhere he realizes that he cannot deserve Madhu's love or her company or her commitment towards him.
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Originally posted by 0-SD-0
Zoya,
Chances are also that Madhu might be using Sultan like RK used Dips ...like her test of love idea. Sultan's unwanted interference can be used by Madhu against RK, and most of the time Sultan will end up getting RK and Madhu closer as RK's love will grow deeper. Lose RK will...but remember her needs to develop heart...so all those loss will be for RK's Ego and gain for RKs heart.
We will know this more clearly in Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday episodes.
Originally posted by river123
Shri, when you put it like that, I'm actually feeling a sense of anticipation for next week!
Responded by Soundarya22
Am not quoting you completely, but Himbin, Zoya,SD, I agree with you.
I am not at all bothered at whatever method Madhu uses...seductive dance and all. Because to me she has never ever been white, she has never been 'ideal'. Ok, she fights on the side of perceived 'right' against perceived 'wrong'...that is her weakness. With RK, where did it get her? He has reconciled with his mom, with his father's death, with his Bappa. And what happened to her? So if she's changing or pretending to change, I am ok with it. She will never ever be the same ...her innocence is gone. DIpali got a taste of it yesterday. RK is getting a taste of it, and he's trying to figure her out.
River - Also have a sense of anticipation, hope I'm not disappointed.
Sultan factor is what is the loose cannon. yesterday's scene with Aryan was disquieting to me. One: Sultan is making the mistake of presuming Madhu's truth, two...he is seriously thinking of having her for himself,Aryan, Kaka. And CVS are purposely hiding the nature of Madhu's truth so that they can use it, twist it as per the contingency requirement.
Don't want to comment on future episodes here, and without watching the episode...but it is a continuing train of thought. The suicidal jump is lesson number 1...thou shalt not attempt to kill oneself, thou shalt not ask for killing oneself as proof of love. And this is between Madhu and RK...there is no room for Sultan here.Even in her mind.
And last but not the least, after Aryan's verdict about ganda RK, how many of us are now feeling sorry for RK?? Forget RK phangroups, I'm talking in general. Despite all what he's done, the feeling is nooo, he does'nt deserve to be called ganda, give him time to learn his lessons. Isn't it an attempt to shift perceptions, very slowly about RK's ganda act?
I may be over optimistic here, but this serial never goes for the obvious, that's why that seemingly innocent conversation seemed much more important than just the obvious. I could be completely wrong. And sultan may end up with Madhu after alll
I have always felt that Sultan is the new Deepali in Rishbala's life. Difference being that Deepali entertains us by repeatedly getting BBBed, while Sultan will keep our fear alive that he can create havoc in Rishbala's life. This will provide drama which keeps the TRPs going. Because only Rishbala's romance cannot bring TRPs. They fell immediately after Ballu's death and the village track got the lowest TRPs in months. Sweet romance gets boring after a time. That is why I was happy with the revenge twist because it brought the spice back in Rishbala's interactions.
Agree with SD that Sultan can very well turn into an obsessive lover. After Madhu's revenge track is over and Rishbala are together again, Sultan turning into a proper antagonist (maybe aided by Deepali) could be very much on the cards. There must be a reason the CVs have shown him to be a gangster. If he had been a regular guy, his turning into villain would have seemed too Ekta-Kapoorish. But a gangster can turn nasty anytime and the audience gets the satisfaction of saying that we knew he would show his true colours one day Also, a powerful don is a worthy adversary to RK.
Also, a powerful don is a worthy adversary to RK.
The only problem I see with Sultan is that he is a very bland character. A beautiful face holds attention only if shows some character - positive or negative. The constant poker face is too boring.
Responded by Myself
CR (short for ClosetRomantic),
I think they are purposefully making Sultan look dull. You see, CVs major concern is always audience. We are the major character of the drama. According to them, Sultan is antagonist to us. So what they do...adopt live and let live policy. Why ? because they need Sultan for their story and they also need US for their story to run. So they tell their character Sultan...look you need to look dull. That way, the audience tolerates the drama. Imagine us sitting in Amrish Puri's chair and having hookah...and his employee comes and says...Sarkar, mere Bete se galti ho gayee...Maaf kar do...Main samjha doonga, ki ise dab ke rahna hai ... LOL
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