Episode 190 Discussion: 8th Feb 2013

Dips ki Khinchayi. Madhu ki Bidaayi, Rishbala ki Varmaala - Sampann

Events of the Episode:

1. Excellent Episode.  Must watch episode.
2. Dipali ki lagi class. Saas ne kah diya, "Madhu aur RK ki zindagi mein taan jhaank karne se achcha hoga agar woh apne aur Sikky ke baare mein soche " In english, Radha asked Dipali nit to pry into RK and Madhu's lives and worry about hers and Sikky's marriage.
3. Madhu got a proper send-off from her mother through the Bidaayi ceremony. Padmini also gifts her piece of jewellery as "Stree Dhan" to Madhu. Very very endearing scene.
4. Madhu reaches the venue of the marriage. RK is waiting for her. There is trepidation in the air and yet it poetic. The Fanaa song is played. Reminds us of RK and Madhu's first meeting.
5. RK is inscrutable and Madhu is in total surrender. She touches his feet in all surrender and happiness. RK allows her to do it. Makes us remember, how at other times, he has never allowed it to happen, be it when they were in hate marriage in the vanity van when doing his maniicure-pedicure as his spot girl, or be it when during Karwachouth, Madhu wants to do it in customary completion of Karwachouth as his wife. Today when Madhu touches RK's feet, it was like Madhu was surrendering to the man forever by her choice and not as an obligation.
6. The marriage rituals start. Varmaala ceremony is accomplished. The way RK makes it light and teasing for her, is beautiful. 
7. As Madhu does not have a Chunri on her head, RK gives her that, decks her head. So Madhu has bangles from Ajji (village), jewellery from her mother, blessings from her Maa, is in red saree gifted by RK and now the Chunri.
8. Pandit asks to get ready for phere...RK tells the Pandit, that he will not take the first 4 as they were already completed. Then Madhu steps ahead and goes in front of him to take the remaining three. RK doesn't move and Madhu is forced to stop to see RK not following her. Episode ends.

Episode Take

• Dipali ki lagi class. Saas ne kah diya, "Madhu aur RK ki zindagi mein taan jhaank karne se achcha hoga agar woh apne aur Sikky ke baare mein soche "
• Madhu ki bidaai Hui. Maa ne dua dee
• Madhu aur RK ki varmaala hui.

My emotions.

Dipali's class - RFOL !!!

I was going through my tweets to Sourabh Tewari in Dec. I had written this. 

Seems, they used Radhaji to say that. . Just that I don't know if I have to laugh or ignore. But my heart was lighter and I felt good. 

shridevi gaddam ?@ShrideviGaddam

@saurabhtewari76 Sir, Pls read the feedback here for 12th Jan episode. http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3389476&PID=73817841&#73817841 '

shridevi gaddam ?@ShrideviGaddam

@saurabhtewari76 MEIEJ Dipali -its unfair to turn hubby-wife into Napunsaks at being unable 2 stop her barging in2 their quarters anytime.

shridevi gaddam ?@ShrideviGaddam

@ColorsTV Re MEIEJ CVs,No amt of RKinsecurities n Madhu innocence will allow me 2 overlook fundamental CLUNKpresent in story thru Dipali.

God!! Dipali is so shameless. Moti-Chamdi waali. Thick-skinned. No matter how much BBB RK does and now even Radhaji, she still stood there as if she had all the right to stand there. So may be a case of parasitic, pathological condition. And that's why RK and Radhaji might have given up on her. I would like to think so, because even in today's episode, I was unable to identify deceitful elements. I accept I am DUMB.

As for the rest of the episode. I am going through the flow. RK is being the dramebaaz as usual. HE keeps giving his shocks like he always does. Yes, I am scared of his antics.

Things I liked and felt positive for Madhu

1. Padmini did her Bidaai and gave blessings. - Not part of RK's plan. Its a WIN for Madhu  Madhu got her Stree Dhan when her mother gave her the jewellery and those blessings.
2. Varmaala hui.  Phere ho na ho. Gandharva Vihaah Sampann.  Previously they had NOT done Varmaala exchange.

Things I felt uncomfortable

• RK's dialogue-baazi of "Meri Gudiya Budiya ban jaayegi"...something of that sort. My grudge...Madhu was the need for you to express gratitude by touching his feet, when he said it was mazaak. Theekh hai, if the man has malicious intent, you will get positive energy in the manner of ricocheting.

Reliving Memories

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3429282

Today's episode was all about remisinicing the past, when watching the actual and reliving all those memories.

Today we see everything that never happened before ...like when Radhaji asks Dips to take care of her marriage with her husband than snooping in on RK and Madhu and walking into their room when they are not there. I super loved the scene. It loosened me a lot. Gave me sense of poetic justice and then I was able to watch the rest of the episode in peace.

The Rishbala nostalgia was the best for me. It all showed me, how the circumstances under which they met was totally non-conducive for Rishbala and they had to go through a hate marriage. Given a choice, if RK had met Madhu as not Madhubala Malik who filed the case against him, but just as the beautiful girl who walked into his studio, mesmerized him and swept him off his feet, transporting him into his dreamy world, how would it have been? He intensely starts playing the piano song...and it is Madhu who pulls him back saying, come back to reality. If only there was no accident to deal with, no police case to deal with, no bad past...He could have dealt with Madhu differently...Who knows, where life would have taken them. Would they have been married?  or would they have been somewhere else, knowing each other as something else other than man and wife.

The Fanaa song explains that to us today. With poignance. Very dreamy and surrendering to love. That is what it is. Rishabh Kundra had felt all that when he saw Madhu for the first time on the bridge, but that emotion he felt for her could never be taken to any kind of culmination with beauty. Everything of what he must have felt then had to be stifled and buried, never to talk about. However today, that song is replayed, with lyrics. And I just wonder, what is the meaning to it.

Then there are various other events of their unusual marriage that we are inadvertantly reminded of, how it was before and how it is now. The contrast is sharp. Be it Madhu's free-will, Madhu's love, Madhu's Bidaayi or Madhu's marriage. This time around, everything is stressed on Madhu's free-will as against RK's doing it the first time around.

Previously RK helped Madhu getting married after she agreed to marry him, which looked forced with a listless Madhu and drunken RK. He even accomplishes the forced Bidaayi between Padmini and Madhu.

But this time, everything is done freely by Madhu, Padmini and this time, there is no drunken RK. We are shown a man who is sincerely praying to Gods while the ritualistic pooja is going on. 

I and some of my friends have enjoyed the episode very much, inspite of the ST Tweet and Colors deadly Promo created epidemic of Disbelief , Distrust, Disgust and Unhappiness, which has taken a toll on our weak nerves giving sleepless nights from last 4 days. I would like to share with you what memories today's episode has brought forward and how suddenly inspite of the apprehension of whether the rest of 3 pheras will happen or not, how I feel at peace today. 

Because today, for the first time, I see Rishbala as knowing each other, without Mukund Dikshit in background. Its neither his accident which is the cause for Madhu to confront RK and yet the Fanaa song to be played, but without lyrics, nor it was the marriage with him that RK broke for Madhu to free her,  to unshackle her through trickery. Today, I see Madhu as free-bird, free from all her worries, going to Rishabh Kundra, to whichever DREAMWORLD he will take her to. Previously she called it a NAKLI BANAOTI DUNIYA and she herself was scared to see herself dancing in his arms in her dream. Now she is not scared to see the real him. 

The big question still zooms if she will like his dreamworld, but we know she loves him too strongly to not believe that. 

Page 2 - Fanaa Song - Lyrics and English translation by Soundarya

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3428715&TPN=2

By Zoya_Naziya

The Fanaa song being played yet again sounded like a good sign only to me. It was played at the beginning of their story when they met for the first time and playing it today  when it is yet again a new beginning..

by 0-SD-0

The Song Selection from Fanaa

When RK and Madhu meet the first time @Natraj Studio. When Madhu walks over the Bridge, the music from Fanaa Song is played...never the lyrics. The bridge is exactly like from Fanaa song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLcIx6TX2xM

Today they played the song. So..."Is it the Climax ?"

Then:  She challenged him to come out of Nakli and Banawati Duniya. 

Now:  Is there any answer here ?

Pictorial Commentary by Zorica

Originally posted by zorica

MADHU's BIDAAYI - Beti Parayee Ho Gayee

SD : Madhu got a proper send-off from her mother through the Bidaayi ceremony. Padmini also gifts her piece of jewellery as "Stree Dhan" to Madhu. Very very endearing scene.

I liked the Bidaii scene very much.  Never on screen it looked so meaningful. As long as it happened, I felt warm and empowered and positive for Madhu. I felt, now nothing really bad will happen. because if loved one's blessings are with you, we are auto-protected. shielded and we will know how to bounce back. 

A Bidaaii in true sense prepares a girl a lot for her journey ahead...the crying looks OTT and sometimes we feel angry at the sense of seperation, the alienation (Parayapan) induced between the girl child and her Babul...but the natal cord between mother and the girl breaks second time and it hurts. Yet everything is so ritualistic and blessing through emotional crying; its mother's way of telling her now you are all alone, just take care my child, I have empowered you, taught you the best I can.

Ritzy09: Absolutely loved the bidaii scene'it was so natural. I know few people felt it was stretched but maybe because we are in hurry to know about the twist. But I felt it very emotional and apt. A parent especially a mother always thinks about their daughter bidaii'it is a very important ritual. And throwing rice till the front gate is the main rasam. Both Padmani and Madhu are excellent actors and it was beautifully done.

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Originally posted by zorica

Madhu touching RK's feet

The Viewer Emotional Response summarised in Ananya's words.

Like in Northern part of India, we have 'Karvachauth' to fast and pray for your husband's well being and long life, in Marathi culture(and I beleive in Kannda and Gujrat as well.Not sure), we have 'Haritalika' and 'Vata pournima' where wives pray for husband's long life.

These are couple of occasions where I have seen my mother and aunts seeking blessings from their husband by touching their feet. I was very neutral then to this act. But as I grew up, somehow, I could not bring myself to admire this gesture. I could not support it.

But I don't know why, today, I was so overwhelmed by Madhu's act. I still can't understand why this happened to me. She is so selflessly submitting herself to him.  The way she said, 'Mere liye ye mazak nahi hai'. I got very emotional during that scene. 

By SD - drawing the parallels and analysing RK

I too was like why Madhu is touching his feet. Today I was asking her not to...but then I sighed. You know why ?! Because Madhu was backed up by her mother's thoughts about RK. She kind of put all that into Madhu...so Madhu is like if Maa believes him that much, whom I am not to believe.

Love is surrender. That's why women are able to do it.  I was educated by my (female) cousins that it all becomes easy in bending down and touching the husband's feet because, the man and woman share a relationship in bedroom where sometimes the man kisses the woman's feet and sometimes requests or pleads to her through touching her feet. Its their love all expressed in shringaara. And that's another reason why woman adorn their feet with anklets, alta etc so beautifully from ancient times. The feet are always adorned. I was also told, until a man shows himself ready to adore the woman in that manner of submitting himself to her, the woman is also not ready to surrender her body and mind. This I am telling of not city bred modern woman. This I am telling you of women of India in rural parts of India...where the way of life is not dictated by just orders and customs, but by also practicality. They have panchayats to resolve marriage dispute issues, so it becomes easy for them to deal in less talk but by yielding actions. Even the roots I come from, the elders say, first the woman has to be respected and loved by the man even behind closed doors and then it right for the man to demand respect in public. It might look very odd, but for a patriarchal society, these equations are quite natural and easy to follow. 

Coming to RK and Madhu - Comparisons between The Past and The Current at touching feet

• Previously at Karwachouth time RK did not allow Madhu to touch the feet. As his spot girl, he did not allow her to touch his feet for pedicure. Both the times Madhu's free will was not there. She was under obligation as a wife and a servant doing it for a ritual completion and task completion respectively.
• Today when Madhu touches RK's feet, it was like Madhu was surrendering to the man forever by her choice and not as an obligation. Today also he asked her not to because he was just joking, and yet when Madhu did out of her choice, he accepted her surrender though overwhelmed he was. 

This I am 100% sure. I have always observed RK, how much he respects Madhu, inspite of being intimidating to her and trying to be the egoist man.

Touching one's feet. Just as much as one feels humbled to offer himself at other's feet, so is the pride and sense of responsibility heightened for the person who accepts the surrender in honesty under ideal conditions. I had problems in touching the feet of Gurujis, but once I started doing it, all my distrust went away and I felt more at ease and relaxed at the humbling.

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Originally posted by zorica

Marriage Ceremony  - Differences between the Past and the Present

Past - Varmaala - NO, Gathjod- NO,  Madhu's free-will in marrying RK - NO. 

Madhu was listless and everything of the marriage, was accomplished by RK, like making her sit, making her give her hand, making her get-up for phera.

Present - Varmaala exchange - YES. Gathjod - YES, Madhu's free-will - YES

• The Gathjod

Previously it was missing and RK keeps pulling her as she doesn't walk for the pheras, He had to pull her up for that..

Now the gath-jod is done there and the pooja is done seriously with folded hands and closed eyes. RK is shown praying more seriously than Madhu. She looks at him and sees him earnestly praying.

• The kanyadaan part is twisted/left. This brings us to hand holding scene.

Previously he put his other hand over hand so that his hand looks upward...it looks to us his ego was not allowing it, but to discerning eyes, his act was not that bad...He had given left hand, whereas right hand should be given, he grabs Madhu's left hand as she is not giving it...which actually should have been the right hand...and Madhu's hand keeps slipping away...so he rightfully keeps his right hand below, then takes Madhu's easily available left hand and puts his left hand upon hers to prevent her hand from slipping.  It was just a matter of practicality, which kinda looking caging and ego to us...but it is not from a drunken state of mind, but a drunken body, not in control...he was just getting done with the act in the best possible manner.

Now it was smoothly done. Madhu was the one who readily advanced her hand, she was not coy and did not wait for RK to ask. RK then supported her with his right and Madhu gave her left hand (why not right, I did not understand that) and it was sincerely done.

• In MEIEJ, the writers never followed the order of the vows the way in texts the vows are taken.. For the story they have twisted it.  You can go online and you will find the discrepancy...considerably. 

Reminding everyone here ...what are those 4 real vows that the pandit asked him to take 1st time, which RK twisted 3 and cancelled 1...which Madhu later on January 17th gave better wording when they took second time at the same place in correct manner. This time she repeated the vows loudly that earlier she did not commit and RK each time agreed with her. Madhu took the pheras leading RK 3 times to commit to those vows and 1 phera with RK leading Madhu which he had cancelled previously.

That 4-Phera Marriage vows  (before January 17th in promise and as practiced to the contrary)

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First one ..the actual one Pandit tells him ...I will  forever support you. And RK twists it and says in his mind, I promise to isolate you from all the people who will be supporting you.

Second one ...The actual one being ...I will never break your trust. And he twists it and says in his mind, I assure you that I will make everyday of your life a hell.

Third one - actual being ...I promise to be with you in good and bad times. And he twists to mean, cannot know about good times, I promise to fill up your life with unhappiness.

Fourth one - actual being - I promise to treat your parents with respect like mine. And he looks at Bittuji and has the fourth phera cancelled (the actual reason being he doesn't respect his living parents or may be parents is a closed chapter for him).

So in reality, everyone including Madhu may have assumed he took the first three vows at real. Only him and audience know what he was promising in the first three.

Now at real , he has been following 7 vows.  the first 3 real ones and 3 twisted ones and the fourth one, since he cancelled it, he takes liberty to humiliate them albeit calls them Sasurji and Saasumaa, in much expressive manner than of addressing his living family.

Isn't this man really complex, interesting and entertaining. We can never know what he can do. But one thing is good about him. When he twists, he keeps loyal to only himself being supportive to her and to be trustworthy to her and not promising too many bad things to her in a curseful manner. He just vows that much which MB is capable of dealing with.

Must say interesting plot and character sketch there from the writers !!

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Originally posted by zorica

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The Varmaala Exchange - In Gandharva Vivaah style, this marriage is completed. No more phere needed. In India - to have the marriage/reception done in style, first varmaala is done as it is quick with no chance left for inauspicious events to happen. Later on the full rituals/customs/pooja is carried out.

Episode 189 Discussion: 7th Feb 2013

Madhu bids Good Bye to all - in her token appreciation of her relationship with Radhaji, memories within RK Mansion and polite alvida to Dipali and by informing her Mother.

Events of the Episode: 

1. Madhu receives a letter from RK. He will finish his shoot and meet her at their secret hangout. He also leaves a red saree for her. 
2. Radha is setting the table, she is always setting the table, asking about the salad. DIpali asks about Madhu. RK has already informed Radha that Madhu is unwell, he will  finish his shoot and Madhu will join him at the pack up party. 
3. Madhu enters looking beautiful in the red saree, no jewellery except her mangalsutra.. She is emotional, and thanks Radha for making her feel at home, in the initial days. Dipali looks on, and is puzzled at Madhu's emotional dialogue. 
4. Madhu walks around the hall remembers all the happy moments. Dipali comes  up to her, Madhu tells DIpali she has nothing against her, and walks off. 
5. Madhu goes to the chawl, despite herself confesses to her mom about their plan. To her surprise, Paddy is supportive and understands her decision immediately. Dipali discovers RK's letter addressed to his mom. She is shocked. Radha enters, opens the letter, it is blank!! 
6. Pre-cap: madhu goes to meet RK at their designated spot, their lakeside rendezvous spot.  It is decorated like a wedding mandap. 

Episode Reviews

Myself

While watching the episode, it was like...Is Episode ka koi Anth Nahin

Such a supposedly tear-jerker episode with main theme being "Alvida"..."Good Bye"

Other than this what happened ?

Still nothing about Mr.Rishabh Kundra faking...The plan is going on and being executed as planned. He leaves, gives his mother, a convincing reason as why he left early, the same excuse which he gave Madhu.

• If RK is not faking - then he behaved exactly the way he would have behaved when going away, maintaining full secrecy...that's what I was originally led to believe. And now I have a memory lapse. I don't know what I was telling Zoya yesterday...that did he write anything or not in that letter to Radhaji. I was asking her, how could he be so sure, that Madhu will not ask for his letter...
• If RK is faking - then again, so far his plan is fool-proof, full secrecy of execution.

Dipali = Audience

So events-wise everything is same. I did not get any inkling of RK's plan and this was shown on the screen through Dipali. She was portraying the audience that had been fed with suspicion and she watches every action, hears every word, snoops and pries on everything shamelessly, with discerning eye and yet she does not have a clue what's going on. She just knows Madhu behaved as if she was bidding good-bye and that RK wrote something for his mother, which had blank paper.

Going back to Myself of the Pre-Sourabh Tewari Tweet and Feb 9th promo days...A trusting ME.

I had been thinking that, their Leaving Plan will hit a roadblock...have an accident and somehow the two mothers will stop Madhu and Rishabh Kundra from going away. Didn't Padmini vow to Radhaji on the day she came to meet her at chawl to express her happiness that Rishabh called her "Maa", that she will never allow that to happen...she will never let Rishabh leave Radhaji and always support her.

Then today, when Radhaji was kept purposefully in dark so that she does not become a blockade for Rishabh Kundra, Why Padmini did not remember that and understood her daughter's wish to go away with her husband and blessed her. Well I can understand, for a minute, she became the mother, who had to do a Bidaai for her daughter anyways. Her daughter was never going to be with her anyways post wedding. So NO net-change effect for her. And may she forgot her promise given to Radhaji. I don't know but for stupid plot reasons in my mind, I was thinking Dipali or Padmini would alert Radhaji about RK's leaving and she will stop them. That did not happen. Here I felt stumped. 

So ST, you & your team...have you forcibly asked Padmini to forget that promise of hers, so that you can now introduce the faking RK.

The Precap

Usually I royally ignore Precap and they never mean anything to me...and I don't talk about it...BUT, in a LONG LONG Never Ending ETERNAL Episode of TODAY, that was the only RESPITE for me. It was like...Okay, finally I see the man. Because, in the whole episode, the CON-MAN Mr.Rishabh Kundra, who is supposed to CON Madhu and Me and Dipali and Radhaji and the world...was not there for Me to see what was on his mind... I'm talking as if I can fathom a Con-Face.   The Precap scene continued with again genuine feelings.

Now...without Sourabh Tewari's Tweet or Colors Promo, today's episode would have actually sent me into a PANIC Mode, because my logic was failing as per the original premise of story development I had in my mind.

But because Sourabh Tewari tweeted and prepared me otherwise, now seeing today's episode, I did not react to go into Panic, but I was waiting patiently for me to get stabbed.As if alongside Madhu, I was walking to Rishabh Kundra at that place where she was looking at him trustingly and I was looking at him too in surrender with the only difference being two contrasting different expectations from him !!!!

Very strange isn't it ? That instead of bolting from there and telling Madhu don't walk there, I was actually walking with Madhu into something Unknown. I really wonder now, why I got ready that way, when my whole plan of someone stopping Rishabh Kundra in end minute failed me today.

I wonder, what I am doing to myself. Do I love Madhu ? Or do I love Rishabh Kundra ? Is it that am not only a Deewana of theirs, I became  Parwaana of them...I really do not know what is right or what is wrong...no more. I think this is just an abyss and I should stop and yet I walk towards an abyss.

P.S: 

I could not be in Fun Sherlock Holmes Mode, because this episode was quiet serious for me for the real things that I felt for myself...but yes, there is no pain. There is just holding of breath.

The Positive points for me today:

Madhu wore the green bangles. Even if RK takes back her Mangalsutra, he cannot ask for the bangles and the blessings given by two women (Ajji and her mother). That is not the property of RK. What will RK do about that? That was not in his plan 

Pictorial Commentary

Originally posted by zorica

Part I:

Beautiful background music.

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Part II:

I was crying again, of course!

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Episode 172 Discussion: 17th Jan 2013

Preparation and mood-setting for upcoming drama of Padmini-Shamsher's Sangeet and Shaadi.

• Rishbala: Chaar Phere Talaab ke kinare, Halwayee ki Dukan, Husn ka pariskshan
• Padmini-Radhaji: Pradardhan Khauff ka aur Pratyaachar Naari Shakti ka

Events of the Episode

1. RK and Madhu continue on their Saat Phera marriage plans with the 5 elements as the witness. Madhu starts the Pheras, she takes 3 and Rk takes the 4th one and he asks Madhu to stop as he wants to complete the rest of the 3 in proper manner.
2.  >>> Seems an indication that they'll have to deal with the family(the 4 pheras suggest that)  before their own marital life (the last 3 pheras suggest that)...which might be that the actual remarriage track is a long way off.
3. RK and Madhu prepare for Padmini -Shamsher's Sangeet ceremony and in the pretext of choosing Madhu's clothes for the Sangeet ceremony, have a flirtatious and teasing romance under the context of RK as the condiment to be complimented and Madhu to be teased as the Husn ke laakho rang.
4. Padmini starts to share her apprehensions with Radhaji, about losing everything that she loves. She is terribly scared at thinking of what she would have to do if her loathsome and unforgivable past in the form of Balraj returns to claim her as his property.
5. Radhaji advises Padmini, that she need not treat herself as weaker sex and instead should just fight to beat that stagnating past to embrace her promising future.

Pictorial Commentary - Zorica 

Originally posted by zorica

     "You are so sweet!"

Episode Reviews

Anticipatory build-up for Saat Phera marriage of RK and Madhu

• Abey yaar, sui phir se 4 pheron pe aake atak gayi !
• When watching the promo ...I had said this two days back ..."okay we do not know yet, how they reach "Stonehenge" (kidding, but using for lack of a better word), they are taking vows before the elements (nature), so just taking the blessings of God and not society." I now know that Stonehenge is a set created for RK's first shot when entering films. Its gonna be used for other purposes as well. They are taking vows before the elements. Shabhaash Shridevi!!! Achhi jaa rahi ho!!

Preparatory Episode for Padmini -Shamsher Marriage

• Romance + Khauff + Nari Shakti ka Tadka
• Romance will lead to Sangeet ceremony drama
• Padmini ka Khauff + Nari Shakti ka Ahsaas from Ms Radhaji to prepare for Ballu drama

Highlight

Ms Radhaji Action Power. She is truly a spokesperson for MEIEJ. She drives people to do something. This is consistently being played...whether admonishing RK, supporting Madhu, RK or advising Padmini,

Romance kuch zyaada hi ho gaya. Too sweet and in danger of getting diabetes. But I will keep quiet for others sake. I did not get for what reason..."Husn ke laakhon rang" was played and what was going on with the cell phone. Why Madhu has that face and what RK was tryinh to hide ? Me too was a Tubelight there. Then Soundarya explained the scene that RK was playing the song from his mobile, hence that flirtatious play between miyaan-biwi.  Well they could have played the song as if playing from a mobile and not in Dolby Sound Stereo types !!!! What's with sudden song playing in that loud manner !! Silly !!!

By Munni_123

Eating too many  sweets causes diabetes!

ROmance kuch zyada nahi ho raha hai?

Radhaji and Padmini's convo is good. Kabhie kabhie kushiya bhi overwhelming ho jaata hai. 

Rest of the episode - I will read Shri's analysis.

Didn't understand about the song 'Husn ke lakhon rang' 

My tubelight brain

By Tanu07

From 'kachra, wo bhi sada hua' to 'sweetu, cutepie… blah blah'

I don't know what I prefer… the former which came out stronger than required or the later that sounded forced! Having thought about it for a moment, for me it is none!

I am not sure if I can complain… the couple are just having a happy moment… going with what they went through the previous day and the wedding preparations around. Somehow it didn't strike a chord may be because it didn't come across meaningful.

In comparison to the scene in the bedroom, the one by the lake was better. I hope the sangeet is better. I don't have the hopes high… knowing that the couple's favourite movie is Mr India and 'Maine Pyar Kiya' made its presence felt today… I am guessing 'Kaate nahi kat the…' will be the song. Will be surprised if they chose another song but I am hoping for that.

Finally, I get a chance to give a thumbs up for Radha. She did good to hear Padmini out and ease Padmini's apprehensions. Was disappointed with Padmini actually hoping(?!?!?) that Ballu will return and ask for forgiveness. Seriously, Padmini?  Thank god that Radha's better sense prevailed and made Padmini realise she can never have anything to do with that monster.

By MarathiMulgi

PanchaMahaBhut Tatva meaning 5 principles of the nature- prithvi, Aap, Tej, Vayu aur Akash (earth, water, fire, wind and sky).RK wants to get married with these as their witnesses.

Well RK don't forget the 6th tatva (which is us viewers). If none of your family turns up that's ok,we will still be there!!.  Madhu seems to be all in the mood to complete all 7 phere right then and there around that khamba. However RK does not indulge her in this. He wants to conduct the shadi in all rasm-o-rivaz. 

Radha Padmini convo - Padmini is scared to hold all this happiness in her lap. What does it mean? Will it last? How can she handle it? She has the foreboding  that evil from the past may just ruin all this. Radha is correct when she says ki woh admi ne galati nahin ki gunah kiya hai jiski use saja milni chahitye. But she conveniently forgot to tell Padmini that Padmini should not play the role of judge, jury and the executioner herself. This is probably the groundwork for Padmini shooting Ballu track. Nice going Radha. Why don't you just drink your cuppa tea and head home instead of planting these thoughts in Padmini's head?

Halwai Madhu banaye sweet sweet RK Mithai.  Lekin Madhu is Mithai ko Dipali se bachao. You (and we) don't want her to poison this Mithai anymore. Hai na?

Can someone please explain to me what was that about RK holding the cellphone while Madhu was trying to get his opinion on her sarees?  I did not quite understand that part. The song in the background was hilarious. Was he choosing the color of the saree or the color of the beauty (husn)  in  this case?

Sweet cute bantering between them otherwise. I just sat back and enjoyed the last segment. I will take any kind of chemistry between them as long as they are shown content in each other's company and Madhu is not crying.

Looks like celebration times in RK mansion for Padmini-Malik Sangeet. Hope we get to hear some choicest songs then.

By Zoya

Bekaar ka episode!!!

RK-Madhu at the lakeside khandar: It was quite a nice with RK wanting to marry Madhu with the Gods and the elements of nature being a witness to their holy union.  Though their marriage is sanctioned by the society, they both have made such a mockey of their marriage in private to such an extent that prolly his conscience doesn't let him to move ahead without the 7 pheras taken with utmost sincerity, purity and love.

Inki gaadi 4 phere se aagey nahi jaati kya?

Does he plan to get married in front of his family or will it just be the two and panditji?

Radha-Padmini: It was but natural for a woman like Padmini to be fearful of her past lurking back when she wants to move ahead after all these years. She was the one who has faced the atrocities of Ballu and she has been left traumatised ,as she was very young when she fled Motihari. And she needed to completely let go of the fear to embrace the happiness. And it is yet again Radhaji who gives her a pep talk on naari shakti as accd to me, no one else in the show is peer to Padmini to advise her on such issues... Padmini actually dreams of a situation wherein Ballu will tremble down and ask for forgiveness ... Hats off to her thinking!!!!! One strong, courageous woman  was advising another woman to not cower down in fear !!!Truly wonderful

RK-Madhu "sweet" scene: Aaj shauhar biwi ne besharmi aur mithai ki dukaan khol rakhi thi..LOL. Their comfort level is rising in atleast discussing intimate things with each other. Too much sweetness is also nauseating but anyways let them enjoy a few moments of bliss... And the show has become too filmy all of a sudden...

By Soundarya

Episode summary: 

Rishbala

RK and Madhu take 4 pheras again!! This time with both of them elaborating what each vow means. Why does he stop her at 4? they were anyway having fun, so 4 ya 7, they could have continued!!!

Back home, Madhu's feeling awkward because RK has arranged for Paddy-Shamsher's sangeet to he held at their place. RK reassures her that the house is hers as well so she can celebrate her parents marriage at her house. Madhu is touched and calls him sweet as a ladoo, he gets irritated, does'nt like being called sweet. 

She asks him to choose her sarees for her, he rejects it, and starts playing a song, 'husn ke lakhon rang'...Madhu is embarrased,...he rejects all her sarees. She asks him what should she wear, blouse and petticoat...?? he pulls her close and says he would'nt mind if they were alone. He brings out a sree for her to wear. Again she calls him sweet, cute and many such names...he gets irritated. She walks off and comes back to say 'sweet' and runs off. he runs after her and they fall on the bed together. And they get aware of how close they are, she gets all shy...ahaan, at last she blushed, she 's normally quite brazen about such close touch feelys...apni bholi bhali madhu, and finally he was not shy...did'nt break the mood!! 

Radha and Padmini:

I quite enjoyed their scene, Paddy comforting Radha and suddenly getting conscious that she also has something to look forward to, gets panicky, and worried. What if Ballu lands up and asks forgiveness!!! Sounds illogical coming from her, but the passing years may have dimmed his monstrosities in her eyes and she thinks he may want to redeem himself. Radha gives her a good talking to, and tells her to never forgive him if he enters their lives again. 

I liked:

• RK wanting to celebrate the sangeet at his house. This is indeed very rare in India, where maayka and sasural are two different planets. He truly believes Madhu has the right to everything he has. If these marriage ceremonies are TRP episodes, I'm all for it, because these are very subtle nuances that should creep in. Though I'm sure people will now call RK joru ka ghulam.
• Again, Radha and padmini bonding...sambandis being so warm,  sharing their lives with each other, becoming friends. Such a relief to see such normal relationships in a TV serial, regardless of the future tracks ( I must add the disclaimer.) 
• Rishbala - Sweetie pie, cutie pie, raspberry pie, blueberrypie, strawberry pie, apple pie...ok, got carried away.... Even in such sweetiepie scenes, I feel they have more chemistry and physics than some other couples I'm seeing on TV. CVS ae trying to redefine passion and chemistry. SO I'm all happy, happy and looking forward to the sangeet.

 guys check out this song...for retro value

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWlPXUAjeks

Episode 171 Discussion: 16th Jan 2013

RK-Madhu ka Patch up over Test of Love fight.

Events of the Episode

1. RK comes back to Madhu. They patch up. Says Madhu to RK - No more Love tests okay ? I am there to help you fight your insecurities, you just allow me do that. RK says yes.
2. Madhu modifies the plan of "going away from here" to "going away from here until you are completely healed and able to trust the world and then come back again to our loved ones". RK agrees.
3. RK then takes her to the pond-side place where he had given his first shot. He tells Madhu that he will marry her there after Padmini and Shamsher get married.
4. Radha goes to Padmini's place. Happily tells her that her son Rishu called her Maa and all that has been possible because of Madhu. She vows that she will not allow ger son to go anywhere.

Pictorial Commentary by Zorica 

Originally posted by zorica

wallpaper  - I really like this one (see full size)

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Originally posted by zorica

Episode Reviews

Honestly, it was a confusing episode to me.

There definitely was "patching of scenes shot at different times".  It seemed clothing of the scenes through some dialogues and editing where the screenplay itself was a bad framework. This is my view only for today's episode construction. Today, the screenplay was total failure and definitely the dialogue writer had some kind of challenge to show some transitioning. I rate today's episode as C. All I see is clunk running the agenda for the CVs

The "Let's go away where there are just you and me" Track has now addendum of "Let's return back to our loved ones" with another conflict from Ms.Radhaji that she will not allow the son to go away anywhere.

Only one scene seemed good and that was Radhaji going to Padmini and sharing her happiness and I was enjoying it until, the clunk showed up...that Radha now involves Padmini to oppose the going away track for Madhu and RK. Both the mother's opposition...

But one thing I superliked. That RK wants to get married at that place where he gave his first shot when become actor. His Lucky Charm !!! That was Filmy, respectful and endearing feeling. Chalo shaadi hogi ya nahin...khayal to accha tha.

Dialogue writing: Entertaining but sending mixed signals

Waise Madhu picking up the Sargi packet from Trash bin and eating the same brought the highest TRP and so I think Raghubir Shekhawat in happiness used the word "Kachra" for RK.Madhu does not mind picking up the valuable thing from Kachra ka dibba. :) 

The dialogue writer could have said...tumhaare dimaag mein bhoosa bhara hua hai, but he very wittily has written Tumhaare dimaag mein kachra bhara hai.

Ab bhoosa ho ya kachra...I wonder, how is that gonna help Madhu except that she lends him her brain or cleans his brain and fills up her brain. Plain hilarious fight between the husband and wife by saying insane words there. LOL !!!

"The darkness of the night just before the daylight break is the darkest". 

Madhu: Tum Mera Ghana Andhera. So Madhu is calling him her darkest time of the night and Rishabh is calling her his daylight break "Tum meri pvt suraj ki pahli kiran ho". Makes sense as a couple. She is his Hope. 

Isn't that what she just promised to him...to teach him to accept, love and trust everyone around in the world, NOT just her. This is the aspect of RK which I have always said needs to be evolved. He is evolved and intelligent, but does not know how to let go or take it easy. Until he gives it all, learn not to ask love any more and just loves without expectation without holding any grudge, he is never going to feel loved enough. That is the meaning of his song as well.

Bujh ke na bujhe ye pyaas o rabba ,jaane yeh kaisa hai pyaar!  Until he learns to be satisfied, by not building up thirst, "Dooriyan hai kyon darmiyaan" will not go away. And isn't he asking Madhu that question.."Mujh ko  ye tu  bataa"..

See here...the ending moods of the song for either of them...towards that they are building a bridge of hope and rescue... 

Rishbala song translation for non-Hindi forumites

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3374451

Honestly that song cannot be fulfilling love story and I am so glad that they are working at the resolution for the Rishabh induced pain for RK.

I liked her dialogue today... "Is Aag se Thodi si Aag churakar, Love ka bonfire jalayenge"

Gosh !! Madhu is on a high actually. She is vindictive, vengeful and keeps breaking Rishabh Kundra left and right. He tries to be difficult with Aag ka dariya and pat comes her response that she will steal something from that dariya...as if she hardly cares what he is talking about. Too good. Its like for once Sheldon has been taken for a ride...from Big Bang.

Responded by Zoya

RK: Biwi, dialogues maarna mera kaam hai. Tum kabse dialogue maarne lagi ho. Tum to aankhon se bolti hui achchi lagti ho

Madhu: RK ki Biwi hoon. Dialogue maarna toh haq hai mera

There could be 2 reasons why Madhu is on a high:

1) Vodka aur whisky ko dekhne ka asar.

2) Just like how Biwi is RK's O2 cylinder, RK is Biwi's dawai... So may be the effect of dawai.. Looks like the dawai is nasheeli...

Story Construct and Presentation

Though this episode was bad construct and previous two episodes were clunky servings of their CLUNK TRACK "Test of Love" ruling the Lets Leave the Stardom track, I will applaud the CVs that as a team, they have a strong foundation towards the story and presentation. Almost everyone in their crew agrees on the vision, which is entertainment FILMI style. So everything is BOMBASTIC. And so filmi hero, filmy heroine and filmy dialogues and filmy kahani.  Then I also like the fact that, their love story has a progression that is very human. This appeals to all age groups. The passion gives meaning to all age groups because we cannot say that old people stop loving or don't know what is romance. But since their story is not that smooth, the love story has adult questions, principles challenged which appeal the grown ups as well, which is the TRP generating group. Then I like the actors commitment to this drama.

Stunts...yes we laugh. But thank God! we don't have real life villainous fights. Those are ugly and we cannot even sleep after reading about them in newspapers. So anyone looking for reality, may just replace Balraj kidnapping Madhu and having that noose with song and dance, with her being trapped in a dungeon with people trying to touch her...the noose drama is much better.

Atleast after a decade (isn't it about that time when Ekta popularised Saas Bahu sagas), they have brought through MEIEJ, a soap like NUKKAD back on TV. Nukkad was human and entertaining with best actors in the serial. For those who do not know, it as a Doordarshan soap in 80's. MEIEJ holds the same canvas with entertainment. Aaj iski kahani kal uski kahani, in the same RK-MB world. Do I not see the same Nukkad in Balika Vadhu then ? NO. Nope, That serial has objective and social message, but it is low on entertainment for me. It is definitely not rugged and fast like Nukkad style.

Coming back to MEIEJ. Folks, so we still do not know why MB loves RK. That remains a million dollar question and ensuing debate. . But one thing is clear, Madhu is going to boss around RK, She is the Gauri to SRK 

Other reviews

By Tanu 

What was Madhu saying??? Did she even hear herself? Did she just say that his dimaag was filled with kachra, wo bhi sada hua??? The way she said it was so strong that  I got the feeling if she really felt this way about him… then she shouldn't be with him… even being in love with him would be no reason enough. Yes, RK deserved this…but 3 months earlier! I agree the guy is bitter due to his past, he is insecure about his relationships… but she cant say he has no idea about relationships. He was the one who saw the unsaid love between Padmini and Malik. He has maintained his silence regarding the wrong doings of the Bhatia clan to shield his mother (stupid and foolish, I agree). He took back the case against Malik, a man who was out to kill him. If he didn't understand a father or trust him, he would have never taken the case back. He would have not bothered to reconcile a father and a daughter or Padmini-Malik. I thought she loved RK because she trusted him more than himself to be a good human being behind his facade. She said that no one has hurt her like him… she should be thankful… the people she loves, her husband, parents and sister have faced worse and scarred for life!  I am so disappointed with those lines that I completely shut off from that scene… somewhere in between I heard that the sanyas plan is still on, just that now it is a makeshift arrangement and not a permanent plan. Thank God for small mercies. May be not! Radha-Padmini scene indicated that Madhubala is all set to thread the path of a 'saas-bahu' saga. Radha does not want to get away from RK-Madhu and Madhu just promised RK, they will go away. Good Luck, RK!

The talaab kinara scene was good. Just a grouse… why are they roaming about in the previous days clothes? Isn't it a fresh day? RK took time to shave not shower? I get it that was VD's shot just before and after his break… yet they could have gone for fresh set of clothes!

RK plans to get married at that place because his 1^st shot was in that place and its lucky… Hmmm! The film industry is so prominent in their lives. The scene had their usual banter… cute!

By Soundarya - beautiful

It's adorable if you look at it one way...this is a couple crazed by love for each other. They can't stay angry with each other, she lovingly tells him...he is her most gehra andhera, admitting that it is not easy for her, he accepts it in good humour, she calls his black memories about the past as kachra, i quite liked it, somebody needed to tell him that. Their relationship is becoming stronger, and they're both getting more possessive, if only...that saat pheras happen, all of us can move on. They're dragging the SR track, no big mystery to it. That's another TRP strategy from what I've seen. Acc to me, she is quite ok with moving on, but she keeps reminding him of his promise..it was his promise, not  hers. It's almost as if she keeps telling him, you promised, now bhugto and stay away.

Originally posted by zoya_naziya

What a confusing episode.

I have only one thing to say to RK-Madhu: Aasmaan se tapka aur khajoor mein atka!!!! Ek problem khatam hoti nahi ki doosri problem ka trailer dekhne ko mil jaata hai viewers ko.

RK-Madhu ka patch-up: See Shri, I was telling you the other day that Madhu was angry with herself for miscalculating RK and their love by not giving weightage to his past insecurities... She called it kachra today... And she made sure that she told him what she thinks of it, so that it doesn't affect her in the future. She goes onto say that she was ready to battle his insecurities but for that she needs his co-operation and support. In short, she wants him to suppress the Rishabh inside RK.  And she even goes on to talk about their running away and their coming back after winning the battle and he agrees to it..

Radha: I have to say only one dialogue to her... Itna khush mat ho jayiye Radhaji. Ek pal mein khushi toh dusre hi pal mein dard, takleef,etc... Yaar Dipzy ka dialogue yaad nahi hai:(

What an irony!! Y'day she herself told RK not to let any third person interfere and now she herself is going to become a kabab mein haddi... SHe promises to herself that she would not let RK-Madhu go anywhere away from her...Ab Madhu kya karegi? RK ka test pass karegi ya Radha maiyya ka?

Madhu has to choose one.. If she heeds to Radha, RK and Madhu problem. If she heeds to RK, then Dipzy would do a chance pe dance and plotting will start, phir se RK-madhu problem. In short, brace yourselves for high-TRP saas bahu drama!!!

When is Radha going to flaunt her trophy in front of the other Bhatias?

I hope Padmini remains the saner and sensible one in all of this and not interfere in her daughter's life.

And lastly the lake-side scene. I was happy to know that he wants to start his new life where he gaive his first shot...

But the brooding part of the scene was the aag ka dariya hai, doob ke jaana hai. And he asking her doobna chahti ho ya aag(himself) mein chalna chahti ho and she chooses aag... What does he have in mind.

Zoya,

@italics.  Chill  !!!The last ...ominous foreboding of bad times is for MEIEJ FANS who want the DARK STORY to continue. For those fans, those kind of dialogues have to be thrown in. Problems will come and be resolved for shippers as soon as they come.

and Re >>>>>RK-Madhu ka patch-up: See Shri, I was telling you the other day that Madhu was angry with herself for miscalculating RK and their love by not giving weightage to his past insecurities... She called it kachra today... And she made sure that she told him what she thinks of it, so that it doesn't affect her in the future. She goes onto say that she was ready to battle his insecurities but for that she needs his co-operation and support. In short, she wants him to suppress the Rishabh inside RK. 

LOL!! Wasn't that vindictive ???? TRUE.  Madhu lovers can be happy. She is more than a sherni. Weren't we saying she IGNORES HIM for HIS OWN GOOD and if that backfires, she will first cajole him only to ignore him again. I am telling you Mother/Nurse and a Royal Queen.

Chalo, though I did not like her lecture on emotional level, like I said the other day, lekin Madhu mera hi bhala kar gayi. Because I predicted that logically Madhu's junoon will be always to fight against Rishabh and claim RK all for herself. I always imagine this RK sandwiched between Rishabh and Madhu and that's why I love seeing Madhu fight Rishabh and RK peesing in between... Just that plot wise it is funny, emotionally it is not too good sometimes.

So the braggart in me, wants to be appreciated again. So bear with me when I remind us what I wrote. Yaar I still cannot believe that this is the exact logic CVs follow for Ishq and Junoon

Ishq - 

• RK's ishq is caring and being possessive about MB. There's certain level of deewanapan in the way he's after her. Be it to show his smirks or making his peremptory demands, its his expression of admiration for her, attraction for her and the desire to be in her company. Cluelessly enamoured royal tiger...I may as well be shameless and say seems in perpetual heat when around MB.
• MB's Ishq - Am guessing that it too will be possessive like RK. And her ishq so far has an expression of giving spontaneous response to RK's any kind of act. She just can't stop reacting to him. Cluelessly affected by him. She is angry, child-like, demanding, puppy-faced, looking teased and a royal queen.

Junoon - 

• Rishabh's junoon is to hide away under his mask or be a recluse in his cave. His junoon is also to conserve his Super Ego. Those who strike it, they are GONE! That's why MB has been the target. She questioned his thought-process, his way of living.
• Madhu's junoon is to fight for others cares without any thought for her. She goes to insane limits. Take the case of Mukund, Shamsher Malik... and now it is RK and her standing up to restore his faith in his friend and care-taker Ganesha'.and soon a day is going to come when she will decide to take care of Rishu, when she understands that Rishabh's way of living is not a living but a coping to live through'..her eternal fight with Rishabh.

Commemoration of 100 years Cinema

Originally posted by zoya_naziya

CV's ko suddenly yaad aa gaya this show is all about commemorating 100 years of Indian cinema that in a matter of 2 weeks they reminded us of a lot of movies...

Yestersay, agneepath style ma ke godh mein sar rakhna with main thak gaya hoon ma dialogue aur Aradhana style gaana.."Chanda hai Tu, Sooraj hai tu"

Tomorrow Hum dil de chuke sanam style phere ka sneak peak...

Next week, comedy film release hone wali hai...

Sholay style hostage situation with Tridev style naach-gaana!!!

And maine socha main bhi thodi filmy ho jaati hoon. What's the harm..

Shammo can say to Ballu in Dharam paaji style: Kutte...kaminey.. main tera khoon pee jaaonga.

Madhu can say in Karan Arjun style: Aayega, mera RK zaroor aayega.

RK will make an entry Superstar Rajnikanth style and say in Sunny Deol style Ballu jab yeh dhai kilo ka haath uthta hai toh, aadmi uthta nahi...uth jaata hai!!!!!

By Munni

Jaise  without Gauri no SRK  waise without Madhu ,No RK! 

Atleast they are doing justice by showing in filmy way. After all the serial is a tribute to 100 years of cinema.