Tuesday, April 30, 2013

Episode 258 Discussion: 29th April 2013

Biwi-Pati Charade continues until Pati asks Biwi if its Prem Game-Part 2 . 

Events of the Episode
  1. RK keeps giving autograph to his fans and Madhu gets up from the table. In few minutes, RK and everyone gets to know that Madhu is dedicating a song to her Rishu, who just belongs to her and is not the Superstar RK of whom everyone is the Fan.  Madhu takes him to the stage and they dance.
  2. Sultan has come to the Pub/restaurant/bar/whatever in a red outfit, starkly different from the crowd. He is in the middle of a business deal with someone and RK is keenly looking at Sultan. He yearns for Sultan to look at him and Madhu who is appears to be dancing in all ecstacy. RK turns around Madhu to show her face to Sultan. Sultan sees all angry. Madhu makes a face tha shows as if she didn't like him seeing her. She makes a gesture of not to do anything to Sultan. Sultan sits down again. RK then turns around and shows his face, all angry. Sultan upset, gulps down alcohol and leaves the place.
  3. Elsewhere in RK Mansion, Dips convinces Radhaji to go to Chawlplace to Padmini to make up for the bad that she must have felt when in the morning Madhu refused to go with her. Radhaji agrees and together with Sikky and Dips, they go to Chawl. Padmini and Trishna greet  them inside. Radhaji starts again her apologizing to Padmini for the kind of son she has and Dips keeps looking for Padmini's cell phone. Sikky notices where it is and shows it to Dips.
  4. In between the dance, RK reveals to Madhu that he had planned the entire evening as an answer to finish the pending business with Sultan. RK tells Madhu that he is not that bad at discerning people. He knows Sultan is a gangster and he comes everyday here at this time for business. Madhu looks upset for few seconds and yet recovers and does not say anything. 
  5. Dance ends. RK wants to leave. Madhu asks to him to wait until dinner.  RK is surprised that Madhu did not get upset that he planned and he revealed about the reason. They have a conversation where it turns upon RK's fears. Madhu asks RK what is he afraid of and from whom. RK reveals that  he is starting to get scared of her as it appears that she is playing Prem Game part-2. Madhu challenges him that he is one who pays, not her, to which RK responds that it appears that the hunted is actually hunting down the huntsman.  MAdhu again has answer to him, why should he be afraid he has already lost himself in the game of love. He has lost himself and he has gained her heart. RK looks all perturbed at her quick answers. He seems all in disbelief and Madhu playfully suggests that he is already known to test people about how much they love him, so why not take the test.  Increasingly RK is confused by all this. Episode ends.
  6. Shoddy screenplay and editing of scenes and only saving grace was dialogues between RK and Madhu during their conversation.

Episode Reviews - Mine
Notables
  • So RK knows that Sultan is a Gangster and has been able to keep track of his activities.  I guess, now that ends with this terrace drama episode, as then he might no longer need to keep track of Sultan.
  • Madhu called RK as Rishu in front of everyone.  She gives her answer to his swagger of Superstar. LOL  She is not fan of the Superstar but fan of Rishu.  Can I construe here that Madhu with that dedication, dance, declaration before everyone has publically shown something to the world, that when later spurned will cause Public Disrepute to RK ?  I will have to wait.
  • Sultan started drinking Sharaab. Gentleman has started becoming RK by gulping down drink like RK where as RK is drinking water. :))
  • Madhu gives such "painful" looks to Sultan to not do anything. So what else do we want. Madhu is painting RK as villain in Sultan's eyes and RK is giving evil looks to Sultan. Both husband and wife together are conning Sultan and making him go mad and forget the reason why he was originally there in the bar for.  Looks like Mala Sinha's Aankhen Movie. What a con movie it was back then in 60's :))

Prem-Game Part -2 Khulasa. 
So guys this is how it looks.
RK is out there to catch Madhu. RK declares he planned.
Madhu remains elusive to the end. 
Madhu does not mind the game. She says, Let's Play each other.

Interesting Dialogues to support that.
Madhu to RK : Dar hai andar ? Kisse Se ? Kis Baat ka ?
RK answers to Madhu : Pyaar junoon banta dikhe, to pyaar dene waale ko aur pyaar lene waale ko dono ko hi darna chaahiye. One who was ready to leave me until yesterday, today she loves me so much. Have you started Prem Game Part-2 ?

Lesson 1 of the Day from Madhu to RK
You love me even if you don't say it. You hide a lot because you are the Superstar, but there is someone who has been able to enter the inner side of RK the Superstar.

Madhu's line to RK 
"Dil haar chuke ho.Badle mein mera Dil bhi jeet liya hai"

He is not denying it
He is scared not because he doubts whether he loves or not. He is scared that he does not know if Madhu loves him truly. So can he really trust her ? How can one know ?  May be one knows only through losing oneself to love...the lesson of the day..

Lesson 2 of the Day from Madhu to RK
You Play games, not me.
Madhu's line to RK
"Tum Khiladi Main Anandi"
And RK does not deny it.
But he is scared that Madhu is becoming the Khiladi and he might be the Anaadi
Shikaar khud shikaari ka Shikaar karne aaya hai
Phir to pyaar ka khel khel rahi hoon main, pyaar ka naatak kar rahi hoon
So how does he cut through illusion ? May be by immersing himself with her game...lesson of the day...

Lesson 3 : Madhu suggesting RK to test her love. Will RK fall for that ? Seems he falls for it. Another lesson in the offing for tomorrow.


Rest of the episode - Dips drama - Filler.
Radhaji asking forgiveness to Padmini - Can anything be salvaged from this filler drama ? Can Padmini start seeing that RK is also son of another human being and not a demon to be be called a Rakshas and Jaanwar. At least can he be called a Homo Sapien ?  I am just voicing against name-calling. Nothing much otherwise...

Aside...

Dialogue : Tum Khiladi Main Anandi
Movie Title : Main Khilaadi Tu Anaadi

I don't know whether it was the videos I watched...but there was a disconnected feel in the screenplay.  Should go for other videos.

My review Part -2

Madhu's objective was made clear today.

She targeted Superstar and his intelligence.  And she is asking questions to the Rishu the kid-man-student in love so that he can self-analyse, how can he come out of his own insecurities. He has become the gamer because he wants to outsmart everyone. Why because he is scared that others are going to cheat him.

This is partly true as Dips said the same thing about RK to RK's face. She called him a Loser and that Fate will never let him win. And that's why he became this Superstar RK away from his original personality, started hiding his true feelings from the world and started himself being careful through his mental games.

All his games are for him to not lose.

And Madhu is showing to him...that he cannot always play game and expect to win and he cannot always think he can hide his feelings that others cannot see.  She is showing to him that you are NOT  that indomitable person that you project to be as.  You are after all a Rishu and not a Superstar RK at the end of the day.

She is making him think hard and making him DECIDE, if he is prepared to LOSE HIMSELF, his SUPERSTAR STATUS for LOVE.

Review part - 3

Sultan was the reason, the date was planned by RK and became the vehicle for a proper discussion between Madhu and RK.

The dramatist Plot - to reach RK a lesson. Teacher Madhu
Plot device - Sultan
We know how he was useful in getting RK and Madhu back into RK mansion.

Now further ..
Make Madhu visit Sultan, let CCTv coverage happen
Make it a reason for RK to weed out Sultan from RM Equation and Strike a conversation with Wife to understand her true intentions.
Result : Madhu gets an opportunity to teach RK lessons.

Inference : Dramatist favours Madhu

My Question to Dramatist
  • Plot device was added by Madhu and used by RK.   How originally your protagonist Madhu intended to teach RK a lesson if you had not given her Sultan as the tool ?
  • Can you show subtle hints here to audience that both protagonists are players and not like you bless one to win and you curse other to fail ? Can you stop being God and instead create a drama of equal opportunities so that we can see MB winning through only her wits ...or atleast show us that MB somewhat preempts RK's thought process everytime and uses to her advantage everytime regardless of time, place and context. This has to be made clear to audience that you are being fair to all characters in terms of letting them play with their intelligence.

The only thing original I found in today's drama is Madhu dedicating the song to RK and calling him Rishu before everyone. She chose to go public about the Superstar's personal stories unknown to the world. That at least goes to show my original premise of Madhu's Junoon.

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Junoon - 
Rishabh's junoon is to hide away under his mask or be a recluse in his cave. His junoon is also to conserve his Super Ego. Those who strike it, they are GONE! That's why MB has been the target. She questioned his thought-process, his way of living.

Madhu's junoon is to fight for others cares without any thought for her. She goes to insane limits. ...a day is going to come when she will decide to take care of Rishu, when she understands that Rishabh's way of living is not a living but a coping to live through'..her eternal fight with Rishabh.

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Now my dumb question to myself ...is this for real that this is actually happening the way I made it out in September ?  ConfusedErmmQuestion  I really don't know what to think...And I am serious guys. Not joking.

By zoya_naziya
The episode was quite suspenseful.. Prem-Game part II begins!!!!
Shikari shikar banne ja raha hai!!

Did anyone feel the dance was edited? I felt there were a few steps more in the segment... Is it coz we all were mocking Madhu's sanskaars... May be am giving us too much self-importance? Koi nahi... RK ka influence toy aana hi hai...

Dipali upto her usual old tricks... Sikky is becoming smarter by the day... Way to go!!!

Radha, the poor helpless mother... Why did I feel Trish was a lil moved by her words? May be I imagined it... 

Padmini would have been thinking in her mind, " Ab band bajayegi aapke bete ka meri beti"

RK-Madhu: Madhu is playing it very smart... But RK does sense the change and asked her honestly... He just brought her there to show to Sultan that Madhu is his... I quite liked the inter-play of dialogues at the end between RK and Madhu... 

Jab pyar junoon mein badalta hai toh , pyar denewale aur pyar lenewale donon ko darr hona chahiye...
Kahani kitni interesting hogi jab shikar khud shikari ka shikar karne par utar jaaye toh

Madhu's answers managed to bewilder him and confuse him... Am sure his mind would have thought ah! here comes another challenge...figure it out!!!! 

Is he going to fall for the trap genuinely and get fooled or fall knowingly into the trap understanding her firm resolve? Dekhne ke liye watch MEIEJ!!!!

By pnars
That so-called dance was the worst edited part of the episode today. Too much exposure of the dance and the rest of the epi (even the chawl scene) in promos and off-screen segments made the whole epi dull and predictable.

Madhu looked totally fake today - fake hair, over made-up, fake reactions (what was that coyness when he kissed her hand?). Maybe it would have been better if that dance segment was better edited with the conversations segued in more smoothly. What a letdown!

The only scene of note was when RK clasped Madhu and looked possessively over her shoulder at Sultan. I liked the intensity of the gazes - the "takkar".

I'm planning to watch the epi again just for the shikhaar/shikhaari dialogues. Your reviews have piqued my interest. I was so distracted by the bad editing that I didn't pay much attention to anything else! It's like reading an unedited story with horrible grammar and language - even though the story may be good and the concept outstanding, I just cannot read it!

by river123
The games have begun. Moves and countermoves. 
RK is on to Madhu. Am glad that he knows that Sultan is a gangster, and has apparently gathered substantial intelligence on him.    And set up this date with the express purpose of sending a message to Sultan.  
The dance:  not seductive.   Just served as the backdrop for the game that was being played.   Madhu asks RK what he is afraid of.   He does not deny his fear, and says that when love is a junoon, both sides giver and taker need to be afraid.   Hunter becomes the hunted.  
 Dips-Sikky-Radhaji show up at the chawl, with Radhaji asking for forgiveness and understanding from Padmini.   The entire exercise was just a set-up scene to get the phone number.  Gave Sikky the opportunity to throw some pointed one-liners Dip's way. 
Finally, continuing my borderline obsessive fascination with Sultan's wardrobe, what's with the red clingy kurta with that remarkable neckline?   On a woman, that show of decolletage would be positively indecent.  
 
The precap: test of love.  Mar jaawa indeed.   

by jasperjazz
A shabbily put together episode, reminded me of a hindi kahawat - Kahin ki eent, kahin ka roda, Bhanumati ne kunba joda. A totally disjointed series of sequences. 

I feel the overall quality of this show has nose-dived, it seems that everyone is just going through the motions of getting a task done. The actors look tired and disinterested, the direction is poor, the less I say about editing, the better it is and production value, we shouldn't even go there (case in point being the ulti chhatri restaurant).

I wish they hadn't shown this dance. The bar was set very high after the holi dance and for Pete's sake think of other ways to show romance and seduction, if you have to. If, what was shown today was seduction, then I will have to check the definition of seduction once again. 

The only saving grace for me was the prem game part two convo between the shikari and his shikar. Madhu was so unconvincing in that entire tete a tete. He dialogues sound like well practiced and rehearsed. RK has caught on with her plan, if he falls for it now, it will be the biggest coup that CVs will pull. 

RK also seems to equally at ease with Sultan's profession. It is almost like being a ganster is same as being a doctor or a lawyer. And he is keeping tabs on a gangster - Mumbai ka Sultan? What does that make RK - Sultan ka Shahenshah e Aalam? Who should be scared of who?

Oh the whole drama is so badly contrived!

I hope things will look brighter once DD is back from her vacation.

by AA
I didn't watch the SBB segments so I know nothing of what the dance was supposed to be like. I think it wasn't edited well, but given the time constraints one or two badly edited epi's are to be expected.
The back and forth between Madhu and RK is becoming more and more interesting- it's a game of "I know that you know" and "I know that you know that I know" etc, etc. As RK raises the stakes, Madhu has to raise them even more to get ahead of the game. And here is the thing: RK makes plans, but Madhu? I think Madhu is great at improvisation. She doesn't have the eye he has for people (if she did, she'd realize that Sultan is falling  head over heels), but she's good at taking situations and turning them at their heads for her advantage. And she's fearless. RK and Madhu's back and forth, the tension, the banter, the mind games-  it forces Madhu to go beyond her comfort zone and when she does? You can see that she is match for him in every way. Madhu would be wasted on Sultan.
You know the funny thing? She's going to jump tomorrow.  Despite everything he has done, shetrusts RK enough to know that if he didn't catch her, he'd jump after her.
Ek Ishq, Ek Junoon, indeed.
Edit: Also, clearly RK's plan is to make Sultan a alcoholic, then push him of a cliff.Wink
Oh, Sultan, RK has all the info on you now- careful, he's creative about punishmentsLOL

By bcbs_srsk
Quote of the day: 

She loves him more than he would ever know,
He loves her more than he would ever show.


Discussions
By Zoya
True and that is the reason why he tries playing God...  

Just a ques... Let's assume that Madhu wins the prem-game, RK learns that he cannot play God, lose himself in love, develop a heart,etc,etc, whatever madhu's goals are...

In the end, IF she is going to ditch him and leave him, then doesn't it consolidate all his prior beliefs about people, games,etc,etc? 

Responded by Myself
Nope.
Why ? Because he was the reason she played the game on him.
He will have to learn to bow down to destiny. That if he has to lose he will lose. If he is bound to win, he will win no matter what happens.
If he had to lose his father or mother, it is not a reason to turn himself bitter about it. Who was hurt most by it. Himself. He should care about himself and his heart first. 

Go to Enigma song - Return to Innocence . I pasted them in previous EDT.  The lyrics tell you what he should learn actually.

And before that I pasted the lyrics of another Enigma song...I'll love ...I'll kill you. That is game of obsession. He played it. And now she is playing it too. Time to learn and cut losses for both of them.

There was this quote by Bhoomi.S. She used it in one of her posts in the Meta topic. I think you'll remember her  from earlier EDT posts...and see how beautiful it and how it fits on all people. Why we change and why it is important to change.

 'You change for one of the two reasons: you learned enough to want to or you've been hurt enough to have to.'

Does it explain ...Rishu ==> Rishabh ==>RK-Supertar ==>Rishabh Kundra ==> Rishu


By ClosetRomantic
Isn't her timing all wrong? This is a step she should take when RK is sure of her love for him. Right now he is very very suspicious. And she is challenging his intelligence! Doesn't she know that he takes to challenges like a fish to water? She has actually put him even more on guard.

Rishu will listen to her when he is convinced that she is *his* Madhu. Right now is he is suspicious that she may just be Sultan's Madhu playing a prem-game part 2 with him. She is telling him that he is scared of his own feelings for her whereas his real fear is that she has fallen for Sultan on the rebound. 

I don't see his suspicions going away completely even after the stunt she is going to pull off tomorrow. But he will play along. He is a much better actor than Madhu.

Responded by Myself
That like the philosophy of  the ATHEIST. Does God exist or not ?

How long one wants to be a disbeliever is what it all takes to become a believer from being doubtful. Its always a state of mind present in us...whether we want to believe it or not.

I again will have to quote my friend Bhoomi.S ...who once put the thoughts against organized religion how it is bad and what needs to happen.  It becomes relevant here...because of certain aspects of making oneself adhere to another's wishes.

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There is no absolute truth/philosophy. People will adopt what they wish to, and they have the right to do so. However, there is no disputing the fact that certain attitudes are undesirable and have no place in a modern world. Education and reason are the way forward in dealing with these, in my opinion. Coercion will almost always backfire. Ref again the statement I'd read about change - 'You change for one of the two reasons: you learned enough to want to or you've been hurt enough to have to.'
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And please do read my response to Zoya earlier.

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