Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Episode 199 Discussion: 19th Feb 2013

Roaring Madhu and Snubbed RK 

Events of the Episode
  1. RK calls the servants to clean up the mess he made (broken glass and broken sound system mess). Once that is cleaned as he reaches out to his closet, Madhu's dupatta falls over him making him recall her. He sees her sad face and wants to make her feel better only to realize that it was her apparition. It angers him more that he is unable to control the onslaught of her memories. He calls his servants once again and asks them to throw away everything that belongs to Madhu. He keeps looking at the small Ganesha, unable to decide what to do about it. (And I have a personal question...is their photo removed from the wall?).
  2. Radha same evening goes to meet Madhu at chawl. Madhu doesn't know how to react. Padmini is rightfully upset at Radha's visit. R apologizes to M for the studio unpleasant experience she had during the day. She says that she had made Bittuji get her a job where RK is working as she wanted her son to see that M cannot be broken. M refuses to R to get into that rigmarole of showing off anything to RK. R leaves.
  3. Madhu goes into pensive mood and looks at RK's poster outside with "Ahankaar" and remembers Radhaji's words. She decides she will take RK head on to deal with hurt induced by him. The Hauslon se veer hoon chant changes into background song with only "Yuheen Balveer hoon" for Madhu...all by herself without anyone's support.
  4. Next day at the studio as RK shoots, notices that the new hairdresser for his heroine is Madhu. He is visibly upset for himself as to how miserable he is going to be and yet again tries to initimidate Madhu. As she shows herself indifferent to him and being all in control, he refuses to shoot and instead wants to deal with her first. He drags her to his vanity van and asks her why she wants to get insulted by him.
  5. An angry Madhu, warns him not to ever touch her again. And asks him to see how he fallen to associate himself with an ordinary girl like her in front of everyone. From hereon, its must watch scene as dialogues of Madhu cannot be missed. She gives it all back to RK and he is actually snubbed into silence. Lovely to see that.

Episode Reviews
Enjoyed the feline fight.  The lion and lioness typically (unlike all the other cats) have huge fights like these. Since I read everyone's reviews, so I can just state my views that go as pro or con with general opinion. So here I go.

Radha's morale boosting
I actually liked it. Madhu deserved it. Because unlike us ordinary girls, Madhu was jilted by a famous man who is now going to poke his nose inadvertantly into her life...be it his film poster within her chawl compound, be it people recognizing her as RK's Ex-Wife, be it his songs over radio, be it his news snippets...his image is not going to leave her alone like an ordinary guy and she will be nagged by that intrusion, instead of an anonymity that we have from ordinary existences. So her extraordinary predicament will actually have help when RK is in her vicinity so that she fight him out...that way she becomes immune to him and the society around her as they see fighting him. So I liked Radhaji's move. Very smart of her.  Madhu no way was going to get peace by just trying to go into oblivion. She tried and day 1 women recognized her.  When compared to me, I will say, she definitely was going to have much harder time.

RK's internal fight taking it out on the servants and Madhu
Rest of the episode was RK trying to get rid of Madhu's belongings as they revived her memories. He was vicious at himself that he was unable to not recall her memories and he turned all that bad temper towards his servants. And if that night was not enough, in the morning at the set Madhu came right in front of him. IMO, I never felt that her ignoring him caused any problem to him. I could clearly see that he was trying to protect himself. He knew with her around him, he would be miserable and he wanted to be yet again vicious so that she leaves him alone. 

Aside: The way he pulled her from the set into vanity...for a moment, I think he had completely lost it and he still thought Madhu as the girl he knew. He forgot her as the woman he had hurt her badly, he actually showed his caring side unwittingly and wanted it to be best for both of them, not to be in each other's vicinity as he will have to become vile to her which would only make him miserable. A major part of his revenge with Madhu was because she greatly affects him to his annoyance. So he was yet again trying to protect her from his viciousness.   Infact, this abnoxious display of care for Madhu was what I was expecting in the new DNA of the romance.

But as soon as Madhu started speaking up, that he dare not touch her, he realized that he had crossed the decency limits (on touch part). Let's see from tomorrow onwards, if he will physically come closer to her or touch her.

Madhu's internal fight and taking it out rightly on RK
Those who are on the side of truth, they are auto-protected by God as he gives the immunity, resistance to harm. That is what happened to Madhu today. Whatever she was doing, everything was becoming her shield. Her being ordinary, her being a worker, her being cheated, her being the innocent and good hearted, dignified person...her every quality became her resource and she was able to take head on her man, her target. At real, will anybody will do that...in this case YES. Very easily, because RK took it to brawl level...so all Madhu could do was argue back. From this pit, she can only rise. And here in again, a part of RK that wants her out even if he may turn vile, a part of him that still cares for her; will allow her show her anger where she will come out dignified and he will look more and more cheaper of the two. Somehow, this serves both of them good.

Chalo..let's see what will happen tomorrow. Seems RK will try to turn a bully looking at the laathi scene per precap. When I was 10 years old, one of the school mate from other section of the same standard and another one from my class, seeing me alone actually as I was walking, slid his leg right in front of me, so that I trip and fall. Luckily I did not fall. And as I looked in surprise, the bully was like..."yeah! I did it". And I was like...what an idiotic act and I was showing him my remonstrating eyes...like what fun did you get out of it. I kept on staring at him hard and walked back in incredulous daze at his stupidity. He was twin brother of my classmate (another girl). I was like should I go and joke about him to the sister, so both can have a fight. I think I did not tell her... Anyways, he never repeated again...I thought my long stare at his ridiculous act did it.  The other classmate of mine was afraid that I might tell on him in the class. That I never did.

By Adhyaay_Chapter
Regarding Radhaji's conversation with Madhu, like Shri, I also liked it.
About her being manipulative, I am inclined to disagree. Manipulation is a strong word really, and in my opinion, if she is doing this for her Rishu, she is also doing this for Madhu. She is concerned for her son and feels genuine affection towards her bahu. I don't think any of us can contest that. She really believes that Madhu is the only one who can handle her eccentric son. She strongly disagrees with RKs actions and dealings towards Madhu and is using the only means she knows to get them back together.
While we may think that their getting back together may be good for RK and not so good for Madhu, as far as Radhaji is concerned, she is looking for someone who can humanize her son. And who better than the girl who accomplished the impossible feat of helping her son reconcile with his estranged mother of 16 years?
Yes, by her own admission, she is a selfish mother. But which mother would not want her kid to be safe and happy? In RKs case, he is neither safe (from his own self-destructive streak) nor happy (obviously!). What else could she have done, really?? Left them both to ruin themselves--one would drown in a pool of tears and hurt and the other would be crushed under his own massive pride.
If we closely examine the words she used with Madhu, she is not a mother who blinded by the love of her son, wants her bahu back at any cost. She wants RK to realize Madhu's worth and wants Madhu to fight back. And I don't think she was being back handed...she was being honest.
And her words on Madhu did have the necessary effect. She is doing her best to move on and Radhaji's words served to propel. Eventually, as we all know, RK will come to his senses too. That's when Padmini's curses will begin to take effect. I do not see RK and Madhu reuniting. They should not too. I really don't think they belong together. My POV.

Originally posted by _charu_
back in Kamal Studios, wonder what have they reduced RK to..he doesn't interact with media proprely, constantly threatening them, throwing tantrums, nor is he cordial with his production team who's giving him work, nor is he cordial with his co-stars..all he cares about is giving his shot , coming back home, drinking and sleeping? pehle at least they showed him having some interest in painting n sculptor , music, bikes, cars, all that is too expensive to shoot or what? 

Originally posted by dramacrazy12
Wow Wow and more Wow!

I am in awe with the production team behind this show. They are probably the smartest bunch of people around. They took a huge risk last week and it looks like it paid off but more on that later.

Now back to smartness of MB team...they took an almost improbable plot... and sold it to viewers. They pacified the viewers wanting dark angsty story by painting RK black and reseting the clock. They then explained away all the bloopers by selling the idea that RK is in serious denial. They managed to pacify people who want revenge  (this is sweet revenge in some ways) by showing Madhu wants to pull RK off his ego trip, they pacify feminist by using strong dialogues and making RK almost cartoonish in his ego. They also manage to pacify the eternal romanticist among us by throwing the couple together in a way that makes sense and with all the necessary support (Bittuji, Radha, Paddy...). Madhu is no goody two shoes with tears in her eyes but a fiery character with mildly grey shades. And what is amazing is that not one aspect of this treatment is borrowed from Ekta shows so it is indeed unique. The supporting actors are getting meaty exposure in the best possible way. There is something for everyone regardless how you felt about the plot and all this without loosing thier pace. They have backed out of the corner they had painted themselves into last week...they have so many options to explore from here on...

Kudos to the team.


Pictorial Commentary
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Part I of the episode
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Part II of the episode
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Part III of the episode
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Part IV of the episode
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Madhu has something to say!
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Fun Commentary.
Originally posted by undisclosed

yesterday some wanted to see what Madhu's version of the pic i posted would be...this is it!
Confidence is #1

Dedications

I wanted to dedicate this song to Rishabh, the guy who rejected Madhu's love. 
However, I didn't want Madhu to sing that for him, though it seems so apt at a subliminal level for both now under current circumstances. So let Madonna do the honours for Rishabh. Madhu is doing good fighting with him. Madonna in that black ambience can reach out to Black Raven types Rishabh.






MADONNA - FROZEN LYRICS 

You only see what your eyes want to see
How can life be what you want it to be
You're frozen when your heart's not open

You're so consumed with how much you get
You waste your time with hate and regret
You're broken when your heart's not open

Mmm, mmm, if I could melt your heart
Mmm, mmm, we'd never be apart
Mmm, mmm, give yourself to me
Mmm, mmm, you hold the key

Now there's no point in placing the blame
And you should know I suffer the same
If I lose you my heart will be broken

Love is a bird, she needs to fly
Let all the hurt inside of you die
You're frozen when your heart's not open

Mmm, mmm, if I could melt your heart
Mmm, mmm, we'd never be apart
Mmm, mmm, give yourself to me
Mmm, mmm, you hold the key


***Talking about The Raven...Its Edgar Allan Poe's poem and someone in the Main forum posted an FF with Rishabh Kundra and Madhu being the leads where The Raven poem keeps coming in.  Its 'SS: One step from Hell! Vendatta" by 6th.Element. Don't know why her/his account is temporarily banned.

By PreetD
Popping in with my own song dedications of the night.. One of my sisters (who is a casual watcher of the show - meaning when I force her to watch it - although recently she's been joining my mom and I on her own) actually said this would be the perfect song for Madhu.

(lyrics below)



I think parts of this one are a bit more fitting after today's episode:



Jar of Hearts - Christina Perri

No I can't take one more step towards you
Cause all that's waiting is regret
And don't you know I'm not your ghost anymore
You lost the love I loved the most

I learned to live half alive
And now you want me one more time

And who do you think you are
Running around leaving scars
Collecting your jar of hearts
And tearing love apart
You're gonna catch a cold
From the ice inside your soul
So don't come back for me
Who do you think you are

I hear your asking all around
If I am anywhere to be found
But I have grown too strong
To ever fall back in your arms

I learned to live half alive
And now you want me one more time

And who do you think you are
Running around leaving scars
Collecting your jar of hearts
And tearing love apart
You're gonna catch a cold
From the ice inside your soul
So don't come back for me
Who do you think you are

And it took so long just to feel alright
Remember how to put back the light in my eyes
I wish I would have missed the first time that we kissed
Cause you broke all your promises
And now your back
You don't get to get me back

And who do you think you are
Running around leaving scars
Collecting your jar of hearts
And tearing love apart
You're gonna catch a cold
From the ice inside your soul
Don't come back for me
Don't come back at all

And who do you think you are
Running around leaving scars
Collecting your jar of hearts
And tearing love apart
You're gonna catch a cold
From the ice inside your soul
Don't come back for me
Don't come back at all

Who do you think you are
Who do you think you are
Who do you think you are

~~~~

Stronger - Kelly Clarkson

You know the bed feels warmer
Sleeping here alone
You know I dream in colour
And do the things I want

You think you got the best of me
Think you've had the last laugh
Bet you think that everything good is gone
Think you left me broken down
Think that I'd come running back
Baby you don't know me, cause you're dead wrong

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Stand a little taller
Doesn't mean I'm lonely when I'm alone
What doesn't kill you makes a fighter
Footsteps even lighter
Doesn't mean I'm over cause you're gone

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, stronger
Just me, myself and I
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Stand a little taller
Doesn't mean I'm lonely when I'm alone

You heard that I was starting over with someone new
They told you I was moving on over you

You didn't think that I'd come back
I'd come back swinging
You try to break me, but you see

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Stand a little taller
Doesn't mean I'm lonely when I'm alone
What doesn't kill you makes a fighter
Footsteps even lighter
Doesn't mean I'm over cause you're gone

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, stronger
Just me, myself and I
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Stand a little taller
Doesn't mean I'm lonely when I'm alone

Thanks to you I got a new thing started
Thanks to you I'm not the broken-hearted
Thanks to you I'm finally thinking about me
You know in the end the day you left was just my beginning
In the end...

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Stand a little taller
Doesn't mean I'm lonely when I'm alone
What doesn't kill you makes a fighter
Footsteps even lighter
Doesn't mean I'm over cause you're gone

[2x]
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, stronger
Just me, myself and I
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Stand a little taller
Doesn't mean I'm lonely when I'm alone

(When I'm alone)


What I think about Redemption Track
Okay I have something to say here. Since the revenge track started...everyone keeps looking forward about redemption. And not even once this occurred to me or I give any weightage to it.
I was so confused about redemption word here and in media thread and I was like what is this and how does the need arise Confused. I chose to be quiet...until Zoya asked me the same thing...Shri...what is this redemption...and I was like okay...its just not me LOL

So I am not wanting to raise a debate, but want to state what I feel about redemption when I read others talking about, in the present context of MEIEJ show and how I react in my mind. Here it goes.

...As in what is redemption from the way you say it and why people are looking forward to it ?

...And redemption in whose eyes ? Viewer eyes or RK's eyes or Madhu's eyes or the supporting cast's eyes ? And redemption if I am not wrong...you want RK to redeem from his act of revenge. Right ? How is it even possible to revoke what he did ?
...Why do you think a person such as Rishabh Kundra will want to redeem himself. What he lost that looks as loss to us, is no loss to his conscious mind.  That's such a cheap act...first he does an unpardonable act and instead of being the Raavan, he trying to become Ram. I will have barf attack at first. I would rather have him destroy all the bad in his heart by himself. His bad side needs to die forever not just sleep or hibernate there to rise again.

...IMO...who cares about redemption from a blackened soul. I would be happy if RK resurrects himself, because no amount of redemption is gonna make Madhu forget what happened to her. If again something happens between them, then they both need to be in different frames of mind and both should resurrect themselves. And we are already seeing Madhu do it. 

By apolloartemis
I read about the redemption thing but haven't had time to post on it. Most of my focus has been on madhu and how she recovers.
Redemption? That word gets bandied about in serials too much it seems to me. RK cannot redeem himself, you're right about that, because he will never see what he did as wrong, as long as he remains this avatar of RK. And that realization will bring forth a new avatar- a resurrection, not a redemption. And for me, Madhu will be the judge of it, as she is the one who was hurt. RK too will have to judge himself, but since I adore Madhu, her judgement will stand for me, not his.
I'm two minds about it, but I kinda don't want the CV's to take the track where RK loses everything and then resurrects himself- I want him to have everything, be as he is now, and realize within that surrounding that he is a despicable human being for what he did to Madhu. For me, if external circumstances force his realization, then it is not a true transformation.

by SD
@bold
Agree. Same here. Totally. Like Madonna says...he should be his own key to his locked mind that capable of hurting people so bad if they come close to him or challenge him. And here the writers again need to tread the path of unknown...through dialogue and action of flawed characters of MBVerse. But I feel, it might be difficult without introducing new plots...they cannot enact psychological drama...so they will have MB act as the key again. No ? But instinctively, I feel, they have a planned story ahead and they will roll it out slowly. Good for me!!! 

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