Episode 160 Discussion: 3rd Jan 2013

Padmini Versus Radhaji - Defunct Marriage exposed and Remarriage Encouraged

Episode 160 Discussion: 3rd Jan 2013

Events of the episode

1. Continuing efforts from Trishna and Radhaji to convince Padmini to reconsider "Punar Vivaah" with Shamsher.  From Channel perspective this becomes a Social Message as well for older woman not to think of their lives as ended with no hope.
2. Trishna and Radha characters development...An insight into what they feel around their relationships. This would not have been possible with continued focus on Rishbala due to TRP garnering.

Note: Re VD's vacation influencing the plotlines

All reviewers here to make it more meaningful starting from today until VD's return from his vacation, please heed to this advice from your peers and keep it in mind while reviewing the episode. Else it would be plain rona-dhona in the ED thread.

By Soundarya

Bit of a filler episode today. I guess we will have to put up with these kind of episodes till the time VD is back from his wedding celebrations. And Padmini-Shamsher's marriage is the track that is going to dominate...which is just as well because there are so many people involved...biggest game changer in the scenario being Balraj, who is being fed to us in small bits. All those comments about what a boring, comic character he is etc etc will  be proven wrong once he knows the truth of his 'presumed dead' family.  Imagine the fury he will unleash, imagine the blow to his ego when he realises not only is his family alive, but his wife is on her way to marry Malik. 

By SD 

VD's vacation has started. And starting today, all his scenes will be filler material except for few scenes which had been planned for underlying track of "Lets leave everything behind after fixing everything". This includes that planning for new house and MU fight between MB and RK on account of Dips. So this was a ploy used to cover some of the absence during his vacation. 

For ex: Today's MB's rona-dhona and him teasing her is another filler for today. We could have as well not been presented with the scene. But what will happen to Rishbala and VD bhakth. There would be "Darshan Do Ghanshyam Nath Mori Ankhiyan Pyasi Re..."

And the way MEIEJ is constructed, every character is human and grey. So there is a lot of potential for each character to be good and bad. Its very much human. 

Episode Indepth review

Thanks to VD vacation, we are now getting character explorations into

• Trishna
• Padmini (Re her defunct marriage)
• Radhaji

In Mid Sep we had discussed how these three women's stories needed to be developed. Those interested can read the link here

META Pyromaniac Padmini v Roaring Radha!!

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3196337

Padmini

We had discussed at length why Padmini was carrying the baggage of her defunct marriage. How could she keep a vrath for a killer husband like Balraj and yet not think of what she was coming across when living with Shamsher and not doing something about it. She was coming across as a Moocher...yes moocher no less. Yes this was mainly raised by Peach, who slighty went off topic as just not to see her as a mother but her character that comes out with all the symbols she wore when literally there was no functional husband around her.

Peach, Are you happy that they are addressing this today ?

My review from today's episode

We can understand why Trishna inspite of her biting words continues to hold her place in Shamsher, Padmini and Madhu's heart, because she does have some goodness in her.

I was exchanging with Soundarya my thoughts about Trishna's yes to Balraj yesterday. Turned out right.

>>>>To me her keeping quiet now makes perfect sense. why ? No matter what Balraj should not see Padmini. Isn't it the survival reason why Shamsher staged the drama of her being killed. Else Balraj would never have stopped hunting them down. So she had split second decision to make ...by agreeing to do the cinema, she will have Balraj leave before either of them see each other. Now if there was  no Padmini-Shamsher marriage drama going on, logically she should be disclosing that Balraj is back in town. But she may again decide to let it slide as the marriage will not happen if the Balraj news is out. But yes, why No ONE is asking, how can Padmini marry a Shamsher without divorcing Balraj. Fine by law their marriage is non-functional...but how about ritualistic removal of her mangalsutra and sindhoor that Padmini is wearing in the name of Balraj. Shouldn't the woman at least look devoid with all marriage symbols from her previous marriage ? Questions galore my mind. But then I am willing to wait.

@bold

And today this was addressed by Radhaji to Padmini.

Trishna

Trishna always loved Shamsher and Padmini. Because she built relationships around them as father and mother. They are not her natural father and mother. Her biological father was a rakshas and he had her mother killed. So why would she not like if these two good people get bonded and become her parents never to part. Its very human reason and not just a plot clunk by CVs when they showed that although she disapproves and cannot stand Rishbala jodi, she still could see something good for her and her parents out of the proposal.

And the way Trishna protected her mother, by not allowing Balraj to see her was commendable. Yes, wasn't Padmini's death staged by Shamsher to divert Balraj. So she continued on with the same cover-up. Poor girl, she had to say yes to act in BSC's film for the same.

Concept of Remarriage explained (would be tauted as social message by Colors)

We can see that not all widows are fully capable of living their lives independently. They look forward to some kind of support. Most are supported by families around them, some like Radhaji chose to remarry...well she belonged to high-society, so she did not have any problem. But Padmini her background had not been an educated one. She was a poor woman from Mutihari married to Balraj to beget a male-child...another rampant social evil (gender inequality). From a male dominated society, Padmini had also cowering and binding principles that cloud her sense of independence to think of anything of herself. However, the good thing about Padmini was she chose to heed to Daiima's advice and run away from Balraj's feudal control along with her step daughter, while Madhu was still in her womb. She reached Mumbai and since then dedicated her life to raising her daughters with the help of her friend Roma and her brother Shamsher Malik.

So they made Radhaji as the spokeswoman to explain the same to Padmini, how she has the right to think about herself and her marital happiness. They made Radhaji to advise Padmini that she need not carry the baggage of her previous marriage and make a new beginning when it holds so much promise.

An aside on Roma

Roma was shown as an alcoholic junior artist. She kept all her dreams alive through Trishna and called her a Heroine.Then her story and her was pretty much dumped. We see her being revived in the Sangeet ceremony as per today's SBS /E24 clips.

Originally posted by applenpeaches

SD, I hope the CVs would show why Pads have been wearing the mangalsutra and sindoor all these years for Ballu. Was it bcos of society or bcos of her personal beliefs? For a sensible woman she has been inflicting misery on herself all these years wearing them? Why? Perhaps we would get the answers to these questions in the coming episodes (if they arent already answered in today's).

A question to all: Does Radha think that RK has accepted Radha-Kukku remarriage? RK initiating Pads-Malik remarriage should have suggested to Radha that her son's non-acceptance of his mother's marriage is bcos of Kukku Bhatia. RK would have accepted his mother's remarriage had it been to someone other that Kuku Bhatia. 

Pads ran away from Ballu bcos of Madhu. RK and Ballu met bcos of Madhu. Soon things will come a full circle with Pads-Ballu meeting. It would be interesting to see how the story goes from there. Will RK have the much desired union with Madhu? Is his longing for the 7-phere marriage and yearning for complete possession of Madhu, the hurdles, the frustrations, the pain, the dissatisfaction, what is depicted in his Hum Hai Deewane song? 

Peach,

1) Padmini and her defunct marriage

I answered all those questions for you in the META thread when we met.  You wan't me to answer again. No way !!! Go back to read. 

And actually, I did answer this in my episode take today.

>>>But Padmini her background had not been an educated one. She was a poor woman from Mutihari married to Balraj to beget a male-child...another rampant social evil (gender inequality). From a male dominated society, Padmini had also cowering and binding principles that cloud her sense of independence to think of anything of herself. However, the good thing about Padmini was she chose to heed to Daiima's advice and run away from Balraj's feudal control along with her step daughter, while Madhu was still in her womb. She reached Mumbai and since then dedicated her life to raising her daughters with the help of her friend Roma and her brother Shamsher Malik.

You should have seen Balika Vadhu. Anandi inspite of being educated, how she was unwilling to remove all the symbols of her marriage to Jagya and get divorce and get remarried. She was forced to let go of all these things by her Daadimaa (Granny) to beat the sense into her...making the show a lesson to society...how the old woman is advising the younger woman to stop wallowing in pain and just embrace new life. That got Colors HIGH TRPs. So part of Padmini's story gets cue from there and part from the fact that her story was kept low so that later it is addressed again in this manner.

The end result is that the channel in the name of Fiction programming is catering to masses what they want to see. And Peach, trust me...the Northern India is far more discriminated than women in down south. A North Indian woman and a South Indian woman does not think alike. I have seen this first rate with my friends and both my friends (one Punjabi and other a Pahari from Uttaranchal) are survivors and fighters. I saw them put up fight with including their mothers to question every convention and yet reserving the emotional bonds of every relation. But deep down it is their blood..the reticence of centuries...so they look subdued, or look cynical or act feminists in total rebellion and then most times are realists and act practically. I see them as stronger than me, much more resilient.

So slow teaching works when catering to masses. You cannot show the TV show as if catering to University students. Even if women like watching progressive woman shows, do you think they will not fear what her husband will think of her when she is watching that show or her saas thinks of when she enjoys progressive woman shows. Sometimes pretence is also escape for them.

2) RK-Radha over Radha remarriage...so far the mother and son have not talked. We are only hearing what mother has to say when she spoke to Madhu. And likewise what RK said to Madhu (without giving her any chance to ask back). So we the viewers really do not know WHAT WENT WRONG THERE ? Its only hear-say. We can expect full revelation some day when CVs choose to play that track.

3) yes, 7 phera marriage is the answer to Rishabh's own mock-marriage act and all his yearning depicted in Hum Deewane Song. With 4 phera marriage he got the rights to be Madhu's husband as wife in legal sense...yeah..the Hindu act will not question whether it was 4 phera or 7 phera. She is his wife because he married her in front people.That's valid enough. With a 7 phera marriage, RK wants to be blessed by Gods in beating the UNLUCKY thing tagged by himself and The Curse added by Trishna.

By MarathiMulgi and responded by SD

Originally posted by MarathiMulgi

Hmmm. Every one seems to agree that yesterday Madhu-Radha scene was precursor for today's Radha-Padmini scene

But do you know what I think, who would have been the right person for Padmini to have this conversation?

Not Radha but Roma. What better way to have Roma re-enter this serial. Who better to understand Padmini (apart from Malik i.e.) than Roma. It is Roma who has been witness for all these 20 years, who has seen Padmini-Malik interactions, who could better feel and understand the nuances of their relationship, who might have on some level always nurtured a wish for Padmini as her bhabhi.

Granted she is never married but how does that matter? 

CV should have handled this in a completely different way when everyone was expecting Radha to be the ideal choice for this. That would have made it special.

Keeping it unexpected and unconventional need not happen only for RK and Madhu in this serial.!!!

Don't ya think?

MM,

I like that they brought Radha to talk about this. Because it adds strength from societal sanction that it is OKAY to get remarried. Padmini is all TRADITIONAL coming from rural backdrop. She does not have the sophisticated mind to leave traditiions if not prodded by OVERRIDING Emotions.

So Radha is that rationale.

And Roma is a bad example from the point of view of social sanction. She is unmarried and will not know what it means to do away with old marriage and accept a second man as her partner.

But yes, Roma would have been excellent as a Padmini's FRIEND to share and advise her something on emotional level. And she would have been such a bridge between her brother and Padmini. But then again question would arise, why for so many years the FRIEND in Roma never saw that her brother and Padmini love each other.  Sometimes near ones take everything for granted. It takes an OUTSIDER to PUT everything in perspective.

Now when Shamsher leaves everything, Padmini will have her emotions taking control of her. Because Padmini respects traditions, but she is also an emotional person. That may make her set aside everything rationally and just listen to her heart.

Others Reviews

By Zorica

Here's what I saw:

Trishna-Padmini: Finally we see Trishna know to think maturely.

Radha-Padmini: Excellent dialogue and excellent acting. Finally Radha did something selfless (in fact, it is not totally selfless - it is for her son).

(digression: It seems to me that Radha has no good opinion of herself as a person. Probably because he failed as a mother.)

Trishna-Ballu: When she released paralyzing fear, Trishna will return to his father what he did to her, I hope. She is now in a position to collect him everything!

Radha-Madhu: mother advised her daughter.

Madhu-RK: RK in his style, teasing Madhu.

Malik: Expected

@Shri, the prediction came true!

By Soundarya over TRISHNA

Trishna's character is slowly getting her balance.  Which is what I like about this serial...no character except Dipali, is completely black or white.Each character has their compulsions and therefore resultant reactions. SO Trishna is able to think through the evening and reach a sensible conclusion, based on what she thinks is the best for her family.  While she hates RK, she also concedes that what he said about her parents relationship made sense. Plus, her instinct to protect her family  overrides everything else, even her own fears about her father Balraj. She is terrified of him but is willing to face him alone rather than have him face her family. Padmini's upbringing after all.

By Zoya - Trishna and Radha as the Spokeswoman

I am happy with the way Trishna's character is being developed. 

I was actually wondering 2 or 3 days back if we will get to see that Trishna genuinely feels Malik-Pads union as necessary an voice it out or she would just go with the flow and be happy if her parents are happy. And today I got my answer.

The moment she encounters Balraj, the first thing that came to her mind was Maa and how she needs to immediately ward off Ballu before he sees Padmini. As Shri, said in her post 2 days back, Trishna values the r'ships that she forged to create a family and sometime back, that family was cracking and breaking and blamed RK and Madhu for that. But now, all of them are trying to gather themselves together and she sees hope of that happy family again. And when all this is happening, she comes face-to face with Ballu , who could potentially erase that family for good. Her first instinct is to keep everyone away from Ballu.

Pads-Trish and Madhu, all of them are strong women, fighters and survivors. Am hoping, these three would join forces,flanked by Malik and RK and become a formidable team to topple Ballu..   Anyways let's see how Trish's character progresses.

Radha-Padmini: Seems like Radha knows the entire Malik's and Chaudhary's dastaan... Radha sensibly and factually tried to tell Padmini to let go of her previous marriage and embrace Malik.  

I can't exactly exactly point out Radha's opinion on what RK thinks of remarriage- whether it's the remarriage funda itself or the person she remarried. But if it is the former, then she is actually glad that RK is crusading Pads-Malik union and she is contributing to make their effort fruitful. It can also be that the writers are just making Radha the voice of the society apart from the fact that she is of the same gen as Pads and experienced on this front too. RK-Madhu, Trish are all Pads children, so Radha is just being the outsider and rep the society.

Uff Madhu, what's with tears?. Am getting bored of RK trying to tease you for the same thing.. How many times,  can he come up with  different ways to tell the same thing. Hope kal khushi ke ansoo na bahao tum...

Precap: Are we gearing up for a filmy Pads-Malik reunion?

@Ananya: Even I am excited as to how Trishna's character is going to pan out and her r'ship with RK will bring about an interesting dimension to her character.

@RK coming out in the open re. Trish career: There are lot of factors involved. Trish might happily accept the move but will Madhu like it? When RK decided to push Trish career forward, he had told Bittuji to keep it confidential and not blurt it out to Madhu as she might take it as an ehsaan...

@Trish: Again she is a very layered character and we cannot tell that she would act only in a specific way. She is till now angry with madhu(will patch up in the coming epis) and jealous of madhu, but the moment Ballu came into the pic, she forgot all her probs with Madhu and was thinking about her welfare too. She behaved very sensibly during the Malik-Pads separation too. And she is still ambitious and loves her dreams too..Different situations and circumstances bring out different facets of her character. There is a lot to explore with her character too.

By Hima -  Padmini- Mallik's marriage track and Padmini's Remarriage being addressed.

My thoughts not exactly on the episode but,overall on the present tracks...

Loving Padmini- Mallik's marriage track...it was long awaited and much needed...initiated by who...their daamad,the very man who once tainted it-super star RK...nice closure there by cv's...Trishna and ballu's re-entry track is going great too..I am happy that we are getting to see different facets of Trishna...I remember as a child,she was shown as a dutiful daughter 

and loving big sister...In one of the earlier episodes when Pads returns to the chawl after madhu's birth,the chawl ladies offer to show Trishna something they brought for her but,she innocently refuses to go see it saying she is busy as she got a sister now and needs to take care of her...seems as she grew older her dreams and ambitions which inadvertently got shattered by madhu took precedence over her love for that little sis...With ballu's entry,the traumatic memories etched in the young mind evoked that fear again...the fear that bonded her with padmini...the fear which gave her the strength to trust and run away with her...I am excited to see what all Trishna would do to keep ballu away from her mother...the woman who gave her a new life and whom she took for granted and hurt repeatedly saying she prefers Madhu over her as she is her sautela...life is coming a full circle for them...Though Ballu is mainly after Madhu...Trishna is the one who suffered a lot and a witness to his barbaric acts...so,I wish a full on Ballu-Trishna track where she would to some extent, avenge her and her mothers suffering or would it be the other way with Trishna falling prey to ballu's manipulations and causing more troubles to Mallik's and Madhu ...I am guessing when it comes to protecting the sisters from ballu,shamsher saving Trishna and RK saving madhu would be good... 

In todays episode,it was good to see Radhaji talk to Padmini about remarriage and leaving past baggage...cv's are mixing RK's reconciliation to his mom's remarriage with pad's remarriage track...I guess though RK wouldn't consider the Bhatia's any worth,he would come to terms with his mom's remarriage by the end of this track (his sasuma's remarriage) thus mending his own relation and leaving past baggage too...I wouldn't say he would become lovey-dovey with his mom but,could just forgive her and let it go which would give him peace of mind... 

By Gurtiluv over Radhaji's Remarriage

About Radha's remarriage

Sry guys now im going to compare this to another show these thoughts have crossed my mind many times. In Punar Vivah Aarti was shown to get married only with the urge of her son. As much as Aarti wanted to she couldn't fulfill all the duties of a father like sports and winning races and such. But there the character Ansh (Aarti's son) had never met his father. Yash was the only father he would ever know. Rishab on the other hand was attached to his old father so much that he couldnt imagine another man ever fulfilling that role. So its an issue of not just why shouldnt second marriages for women be accepted by society when men's are. Since Padmini herself was Balraj's second wife but it is an issue of taking a young child's emotions and development into consideration for what is best for them. Radhaji unlike Aarti never tried to fulfill the role of a father what was Rishab was looking for (as he told Madhu). She never bothered to ask Rishab what he wanted. She never got Rishab's approval for Kukku Bhatia. She only got remarried as she herself admitted today that she was insecure of not being able to fulfill the role of a father to Rishab. It was pure insecurity. Padmini was always strong willed having the guts to runaway from a monstor like Balraj. and she was willing to raise two daughters on her own it was just good fortune that they got one in the form of  Shamsher. She still wants to live only for her daughters even if they might not be there for her any more after some time. There is no sense of insecurity for her kids but a sense insecurity for living for herself and her happiness.

Zorica - Padmini-Shamsher Relationship dynamics

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

Originally posted by zorica

Originally posted by zoya_naziya

Radha-Padmini: Seems like Radha knows the entire Malik's and Chaudhary's dastaan... Radha sensibly and factually tried to tell Padmini to let go of her previous marriage and embrace Malik.  

Zoya,

Padmini wants to marry Malik, but he must first offer her marriage! 

Zorica,

you know ...that is such an INDEPENDENT mind thinking that way. I know how deep is that. Now everyone is pressurizing Padmini to reconsider marriage with Shamsher. And yes, we know Shamsher is not proposing to Padmini because he thinks she will not like it. But then Padmini, might be just waiting for the man to ask her. How would she say a YES when the man has not even proposed to her ? What would her SELF-ESTEEM say ?  And Rishabh Kundra had already advised Shamsher NOT to LEAVE the opportunity.

Sigh the complexities of principles, emotions and ruling conventions. It is matter of principle that the man proposes to the woman which may challenge the ruling convention for the woman. Nevertheless it is the most honorable thing that a man could do for a woman whom he loves and what that woman would find respectable enough to accept. 

I have seen...I mean I am pretty sharp and unconventional, but often times I go with the flow of the general mood of the group, the power and rationale driving it and not making much of ado when someone fails on principle...but such articulation of the matter in principle in an emotional manner, in my life I have seen only in my mother. For an uneducated (not illiterate) person, she is so LUCID in principles and that too at EMOTIONAL level. She can shut down a crowd of patronising figures with her questions such as the one you posed. You know what, her sun sign is SAGITARIUS. 

Shridevi,

  

 Zorica

Episode 159 Discussion: 2nd Jan 2013

When Slap grows heavier than the Prank.

Daamad ne Saasuma se mazaak kiya to Saasuma ne Daamaad ko thappad mara!

Episode 159 Discussion: 2nd Jan 2013

Events of the Episode

1. Padmini and Shamsher's love for each other comes out in the open as each of them reveal their true states of overwhelming emotion felt for each other when they hear that the other is extremely hurt.
2. The prank had been played by RK on Padmini and Shamsher as a hoax accident call placed to either. Both the daughters are witness to this drama. Padmini slaps RK at the prank played on them.
3. RK does not mind it, apologizes to the entire family for the prank played by him, and especially to Padmini. Then he goes on to explain that it was necessary for him to play it otherwise, his sasurjee and saasuma would never have accepted their feelings and regard for each other. He asks them to think over it and give a meaning to their relationship.
4. Trishna is upset that her her mother has been distressed. She asks RK to stop interfering in her parents lives. RK asks her to keep herself away as well as she need not interfere or influence her parents lives and it is their decision to marry or not.
5. Padmini and Shamsher do a lot of soul searching in the night as they think over the incident and how it brought forth all their hidden emotions for each other.
6. At night Madhu and RK, equally disturbed and happy at days events, agree that they caused distress to Madhu's parents, but also see the hope that they will come around in due time. They seek solace in each other's company to get the draught of happiness being supportive to each other. In the process RK takes down two of the pillows from their Deewar.

Episode Review

Wow ! I had a hearty laughter at the drama today. I know @real; other viewers sitting with me would have been irritated at my laughing at the Malik ... Padmini ...Malik ...Padmini yells...the closeness and then the thappad...It was supposed to be a serious drama and I was laughing. 

Anyways, they tried to make the episode a masaaledaar one. And the dramatics used that entertained me were:

1. the dead cat aka the scarf around the neck is back. Costume changes.
2. Trishna got spat at. Forgive my language! but ek bigda hua doosri bigdi hui ki acchi class le li. Didn't you all enjoy ?
3. They gave a Rishbala hug for viewers...I did not care much for this one
4. Radha the Gate-keeper  :) She was doing her honest duty there. Feeling sleepy and yet keeping her watch.
5. the two dogs being sent to the kennel.

Will give a B+

Now serious analysis

The Prank played by Rishabh Kundra - The planner and Executor for his Sasurjee-Saasuma Love Realization

Loved the drama. Needed drama. The whole family got played upon by RK. Each of the two daughters accompanying the parent to witness the drama of love coming out in the open. RK was lucky to have Trishna sitting at home when he played the prank. The prank was answered by a slap by Padmini. Very normal reaction there. And RK apologizes profusely to Padmini for his prank. What was more interesting is RK then finishing his part of the drama to make his saasuma and sasurjee realize that he did what they should have done long time back. He unabashedly tells them that "had not I played the prank you would never have told each other what conspired today, what we spoke to you about today."  He makes Shamsher answer his close looped questions which is pretty much like...oh! so why do you then crucify me for speaking out the truth. Both Padmini and Shamsher could not say anything.

The other dramas interesting to watch around the scene were 

• how both the daughters were surprised to see so much of overwhelming concern and love between their mother and father. They were taken aback at Padmini holding Shamsher quite closely and saying...I would have died had something happened to you...haha!!! the girls were like two kids...where did it come from ?

• How RK was being pleaded by his Biwi and Sasurjee to keep quiet and he vehemently saying no...that today, the moment is not to stop it. All ganged up there. Loved it.

• And how Trishna got verbal slap from RK. Oh! I loved it for the fact that ek bigda hua doosri bigdi hui ki acchi class le li. Didn't you all enjoy ? Loha hi loha ko kaata hai types. Do badtameez asking each other to stay away  from their parents. 

"Dil todna aur dil dukhane ki baaten tumhaare moonh se acchi nahin lagti. Tum in sab cheezon se doo raho to hi accha hai"

If this is going to be the jeeja-saali relationship between RK and Trishna, I am gonna enjoy it.  LOL!!

Roma's apt and interiors and the scenes

And finally they showed us how Roma's apt looks like. We got to see the interiors. Not bad!! Right ?? Nowadays the clunk from CVs is paying up...Used the flat to have Shamsher sit there  on the chabootra (I could not see of which tree it was) right in front of Roma's chawl apt. So that a little more of Padmini and Shamsher is seen by us. 

I won't blame Trishna's behaviour back in chawl. She is just being a possessive child, who doesn't want anything to happen to her mother, as she cannot lose her. So anything that makes her happy is fine by her, if that means bad mouthing her prank playing daamad or her muted second daughter. Whatever I am enjoying Trishna and her tantrums against RK and Madhu.

 CVs please show some entertaining drama between Trishna and RK in the upcoming marriage ceremony sequences. If the two bigde hue take each other's class, it would look to me as at least some barriers being closed between the two and she too becomes part of RK's family. Trishna is being unnecessarily kept away from the family drama.

Faisle ki ghadi aa gayi (The moment has come to decide)

Padmini and Shamsher now neither seem to be embarrassed nor hesitant. They know. But for both of them its the time...the time is pressing upon them to decide. And more so on Padmini as Shamsher is going to be with her no matter what she decides. This was the Aww moment for me when it suddenly dawns on Padmini looking at Shamsher outside the window, him getting upto to come after her when the window pane hits her and how he stops himself.

The precap scene

Radha the Gate-keeper  :) She was doing her honest duty there. Feeling sleepy and yet keeping her watch. Madhu blurted out that RK got slapped. From the precap scene, I could see that Padmini and Radhaji both were coming out of the temple together. So this means...Radhaji has a part to play in convincing Padmini... have to wait and watch.

And finally the couple in Love

This was not at all forced to me. Each of them were seriously thinking of the day's events. And RK wanted to share his feelings with his wife.  Starts chatting and she too responds. He is happy for the efforts made and believes that they will have success. And the talk just leads them on to empathize again about their relationship. The way they forget the rest of the drama and are again lost in each other, is what made it special for me...its like the goner moment.  Its like now you cannot stop the two love birds. And gone are two dogs in between the two. The dogs might be wailing aloud!!!  

The legal implications need to be clarified

Now I have the LOGICAL QUESTION that CVs have not taken pains to show it to me that their ORCHESTRATOR (RK) has thought about seeking legal clarities on Padmini's old marriage dissolution.

Its fine that Shridevi knows about it...but what about rest of Indian junta ? 

They might all be thinking how can Padmini marry Shamsher by remaining married to Balraj ? So who will BELL THE CAT now ? Someone needs to ASK this question ALOUD and all the viewers need to be answered .

Others take

By Zorica over RK the Planner and Executor

RK marked the beginning of episode: shock therapy!

Good acting RK, Padmini, Malik, but the scenography is more like a theater. I know it's RK idea to control the conditions in which the unfolding drama, but it bothered me. He did not want to be in a public place - I think that because of slap was expecting. LOL!

RK marked the end of the episode: gentle therapy!

Gentle and caring, as only he knows how to be! 

By Ananya

Brilliant is the word.

I am enjoying this 'Padmini-Ek Ishq Ek Junoon'  from the past few episodes. At least, Padmini's character seems to make lot more sense to me than Madhu's. 

It was heart touching to see the two souls who had suppressed their feelings for each other for the past 20 years, reach out to each other with volcano of emotions erupting in each at the thought of other being in peril. What tugged at my heart was the fact that, the two were completely lost in each other. In that moment, nothing else mattered to them. It didn't matter that their daughters were around witnessing them. All they cared about was that the other was safe. The terror in their eyes, for the other being in mortal peril, the sense of relief to see each other unharmed, and once that appeased a sudden realization, that in that one moment their nameless relationship might have reached a stage from where there is no looking back. All the plethora of emotions was very very well done. Kuods to the actors here. 

I dont ever remember any  CVs portraying the love story of supporting characters so beautifully.

Trishna's reaction was what I expected. If Madhu was not ready to accept this thought immediately, it would be unfair of us viewers to demand that Trishna should have reacted differently and supported the marriage. At that particualar instant, all she could see was this plan of RK's has caused a lot of distress to her parents. It is understandable. 

Now the much hyped slap, I am simply amazed by RK. It just shows the lengths he could go for the sake of his loved ones. He truly sees a mother in Padmini and hence had no qualms in getting slapped by her. Same goes with Padmini. She is not a person who would go around slapping people unless she exerts rights on them.(Quite unlike madhu, who did not hesitate in slapping RK in front of his whole crew)

The best scene has to be the chawl scene, where Padmini asks to be left alone. Through her eyes, she pleads Malik to understand and he does. What more understanding can we demand from two people in love? And then again, when they look at each other through the window, padmini hurts and in an instant Maliks wants to run to her, but still gathers the courage to hold himself.

I loved how RK said that he understands the importance of a husband-wife relationship, and hence wants them to get married. Loved how he silenced Trishna, asked her to keep quiet when it comes to matters of heart. It was very wise of him to put those two questions in front of mailk-padmini, answers to which he already knew. All he wanted was padmini to listen to those answers from malik. (RK will always come up with new ways to make me fall more for him..)

Now coming to madhu, she disappointed me today. Both in studio scene and with Radha scene. I expected her to support her husband, not with his plan, but with his intention behind it. How can she manage to be quiet throughout the entire scene is beyond me, especially when Trishna accuses RK of interfering in her parents' personal matter. She should have defended her husband there. Instead, what she does, goes home and cries on Radha's shoulder that her mom slapped her husband. Why? What purpose does that serve? We were not even shown properly how Radha reacts to it, and to be frank I dont care. But madhu has to learn to keep the matters between her and RK to herself, especially matters as sensitive as this.

I would like to end this very long post on the happy thoughts of the romantic elements in today's episode. Loved how RK hugged her in the studio. Finally he rested his head on hers during a hug. Loved how  RK said, 'galti karne ki mafi hoti hai, par koshish na karne ki mafi nai hoti'. Very true, and applicable to all aspects of one's life..

Pillows going down, him asking her to rest her head on his hand, all of it was beyond cute.

By Myself - Why the need for Madhu to inform Radhaji that Padmini slapped RK

@Ananya, Liked your post. Every word of it.

That does not mean that I did not like all the other reviews. I did. Its just that Ananya's narrative was flowing with her emotion of elation. 

Zoya,

You have been upset with Madhu for being indiscrete and telling Rads that Padmini slapped RK. Thing is...Its not character Madhu's fault.

If you remember, Madhu is discrete when she wants to. She chooses to tell what she wants to Rads. She doesn't tell everything. Its like ...Madhu shows the facts of the matter as a painting and presents it to Radha. She did not tell what was the fight about when Rads saw RK angry with Madhu at the dining table. She told all was well between her and RK upon returning from the farmhouse.

So its not just Madhu who uses discretion of informing per her mind. It is CVs through her. Remember this is Madhubala: Ek Ishq Ek Junoon. Its Madhu who has to drive the story. So she acts with CVs mind. All the other characters become catalysts to her created drama with her main antagonist being Rishabh Kundra. This is needed to always keep the tension between Mads and RK, otherwise the Ishq and Junoon will not come. For the junoon to show up, the conflict through Madhu at times and through RK at other times has to be there.

Anyways cutting short my ramble...what I am saying is that

today MAdhu informed Rads that Padmini slapped RK. It means that there is a purpose behind it. The CVs have planned something. Going my Madhu's character, she is being truthful to her saasuma. Because Padmini should not have slapped her Damaad. Now the viewers, RK, Padmini and Mads understand it...but the voice of tradition also need to be pacified. Right ? So CVs are making it look moralizing and sanctioning through Madhu that yes, the storytellers know that Padmini committed an offence and hence the panic stricken face from Shamsher, Trishna and Madhu. But who cares in reality. :)) As long as RK the hero is happy with the result, no one needs to bother what Mads or Rads thinks. We know the drama is going to be resolved tomorrow, hopefully with Rads as the older woman explaining Padmini that its okay to remarry ..as she too had remarried.

Now coming to Why they showed RK going all cold in his first response to Padmini's slap. That again is UN RKish. We just have to ignore that because CVs were trying to raise the emotional quotient of the scene by making us believe ...OHH!!!!!!!!! RK Pit gaya...AB use Gussa Aayega ...types.

Because of these impoverished clunks today to create drama, I wanted to give a B rating, but then gave it B+ because I didn't want to make it bad for the beautiful other moments of today's episode.

By Savz_uniqueblis  on TRISHNA

trishna is spolied brat but she is always treated like stranger to family, not included in family drama/decisions. pads-shammu n madhu seems more like family n trishna an outsider. seems she became like tat becos of neglected. she lost her own mother. her biological father is not nice to her. she didn't get mom-dad love frm pads-shammu so seems more taken care by roma, so she always feels tat she didn't get any love same like rk. rk n trishna in same boat. rk got madhu n trishna still not lucky. they can show nice story of trishna if cvs plans it, but trishna n ballu meeting many times,is it hinting any track btwn them. lets see .

By Soundarya and responded by myself

Originally posted by Soundarya22

A few points that struck me, they could be repetitive so pls bear with me:

• When RK and Madhu walk into their house, and they see Radhaji..RK tells her he's going upstairs. His face is not at all annoyed on seeing Radhaji, in fact, I thought he sort of indicated to Madhu to tell her what had happened..[SD] Agree. I felt the same. It was like he indicated to Madhu that you tell her why we are so late.
• Trishna's reaction was expected...it was the same first reaction that all of them had on hearing the proposal. Of course, her blaming madhu blindly  was unwarranted. She may come around given that there's been news about them dancing at the mehndi. 
• Will Trishna accept the offer just to get rid of Balraj? It is uncharacteristic of her, just when she should be telling people about his presence, she keeps quiet. Esp when this whole marriage thing coming up, how can paddy marry when she hasn't divorced Balraj, and he is back in the same city!! But this is the typical soap silent chaos  created just so that there can be a dramatic revelation two weeks later.[SD]: To me her keeping quiet now makes perfect sense. why ? No matter what Balraj should not see Padmini. Isn't it the survival reason why Shamsher staged the drama of her being killed. Else Balraj would never have stopped hunting them down. So she had split second decision to make ...by agreeing to do the cinema, she will have Balraj leave before either of them see each other. Now if there was  no Padmini-Shamsher marriage drama going on, logically she should be disclosing that Balraj is back in town. But she may again decide to let it slide as the marriage will not happen if the Balraj news is out. But yes, why No ONE is asking, how can Padmini marry a Shamsher without divorcing Balraj. Fine by law their marriage is non-functional...but how about ritualistic removal of her mangalsutra and sindhoor that Padmini is wearing in the name of Balraj. Shouldn't the woman at least look devoid with all marriage symbols from her previous marriage ? Questions galore my mind. But then I am willing to wait.
• The pillow removal scene was 3 seconds more than what they showed in the pre-cap!!! But then, I guess it was needed to show their increasing comfort with each other. If madhu was upset with the prank RK pulled, he wanted to show her he meant it in good faith, didn't mean to hurt anybody with it. And he wanted her to believe him, that's why he reached out and she understood. It was lovely...the silent understanding they have, the communication they have portrayed so beautifully.[SD]: Agree. Also did you notice the editing bloopers. MB's hand was already spread out for the entire length post pillow removal. And yet the last scene is shown as of she is giving out her hand now...

On an aside...I have already started writing to Colors to get them married quickly, how long will they love like this? It's terrifying to see the number of pillows remaining

[SD]: Good. 

Episode 158 Discussion: 1st Jan 2013

Episode 158  Discussion: 1st Jan 2013

Action and Drama building up around all the current tracks...Trishna movie launch, Padmini-Shamsher marriage, Balraj Rentry

Episode Review

Wow!!! What a gripping episode. Will give an A+ rating for the episode.

The episode highlights being

• Trishna seeing her producer is none other than her father Balraj and deciding to turn down the movie offer. 
• Trishna chooses not to tell Padmini that Balraj is back in town.
• Bittuji-RK upset that Trishna fainted in front of Balraj and RK asking to fix it up again between.
• RK calls up Shamsher and together him and Madhu ask Shamsher to get married to Padmini
• And an undercurrent of plethora of emotions dominating each scene.

Trishna -Balraj scene - Emotional state of panic and fear.

Trishna wants to thank her producer and is agahst to find out that he is none other than her father Balraj. All flashback scenes. She tries to escape the place before Balraj can see her. But fear and panic gets the better of her and she faints. This is almost the same when as the child Trishna was in. We can see that Trishna has never been able to come out of the traumatic shocks that she felt with her biological father.

On the other hand Balraj...I was confused...why was he calling her Trishna, Trishna as if he recognized and then shooes everything away and calls her "my heroine has fainted". He goes to get support and meanwhile Trishna recovering, bolts from there.

Bittuji-RK Scene in Vanity - Managing business with its ups and down like every other day.

It was an interestingly shot scene. I was reminded of the recurring theme of Bittuji's ever present tension-handling for tensions through his chief's career and business ventures and consequences of it. First he used to be worried about RK's prod schedules, then we were shown of Bittuji's concern about how to get his Chief away from Mukund Dikshit accident case, then Bittuji was worried with extortion calls, and now we have Bittuji starting to get bogged down in worry with Balraj -the producer.

RK the boss was as usually comprehending his secretary/manager's tension and suggesting what he has to do...as usual. And RK is called  to do his shots...his bread and butter earning work. 

Wow!! for the first time I got to hear a director saying aloud to RK, that his shot was perfect. 

Trishna - Padmini scene - What binds them together? A relationship born of sharing pain together and learning to love each other.

Living trauma together, coming out of it together and the love for each other...Today, there was not a moment when there could have been anyone between the two. When Trishna comes running in panic to Padmini, she almost wants to tell her mother that Balraj is back. But something makes her to decide against it. May be she didn't want Padmini to feel the pain. May be she will tell her mother when she calms down. 

And the dialogues beautifully built up the drama. When  Padmini says that Madhu was here...suddenly Trishna realizes that ..oh! yes Madhu is also there...but we do not see the typical jealousy of hers...but someone that is also there between her and her mom and who also needs to be protected, no matter what.

RK-Madhu and Shamsher scene.

I am so moved by their scenes in duo or tri fashion with each other, starting from the phone call placing by RK to Shamsher, Madhu coming to meet up RK at the studio with all disappointment and RK sensing it, Madhu and Shamsher meeting Madhu first and telling her how Rishabh has called him.

Wow!!! Did you hear that ? Shamsher called RK as "Rishabh". That's really something. Really something.

And then the entire trio conversation was so beautifully done. And the marked contrast comes out today that how RK is much better in presenting his case. He makes people think ...Shamsher and RK conversation went to such a high mental plane of understanding, anger and disappointment and yet a driving down understanding of trust between the two. It was just beautiful to watch. I am sure if RK had gone with Madhu to talk to Padmini, he would not have had a high pitched reaction from Padmini, but far more heart-wrenching pain at RK for even thinking about it. Regardless RK would have broken the barriers towards realization far more effectively.Alas! he should not be doing everything by himself. Protocol forbids him that.

Anyways, without any ado, I would bring forth the conversation that I had with Zorica yesterday regarding the essence of Shamsher and Padmini's relationship. I might as well quote it again here.

Zorica asked

What is the name of this relationship.

Me to Zorica

Padmini answered it as "the relationship of trust, respect and purity." 

However, in the mangalsutra scene, Shamsher was so lovingly looking at Padmini when she fumbles a bit to tie it around her neck. A man who loves her daughters as his own, why wouldn't he love her when she takes care of him so much. But just that he is her knight in shining armour and his milady happens to be a married woman. All that is left for him to do it just lay his life down for her and in return never ask anything. That's his gentleman's promise to his milady, one who is not a lady in distress, but a strong lady who chose to save her kids from her evil husband without anyone's help and expecting no help.

Zorica to me

At the very beginning it was clear that this would be a good show. Here we are able to meet first with the image of Balraj, but also to understand how strong bonds connect Padmini and the children. Traumatic experience for her and Trishna, but she was lucky to meet Malik even while Madhu is born. RK had the opportunity to see what the viewers saw at the very beginning in terms of their relationship, and that is a great understanding, respect and mutual concern. Malik has always acted with Padmini as she is of special value, like it was made of glass or porcelain, realizing that Padmini is essentially gentle woman (but fight like a lioness for her children). He acted shy, but always protective.

Originally posted by zorica

My small contribution. It was made in a hurry. But, I'll do one that will show their relationship over time.

I think to make one that would be called: All Dipali's faces. But I myself do not like to watch her, and I suspect neither do you. 

Zorica,

I liked the pic very much.

To answer your question there, Padmini answered it as "the relationship of trust, respect and purity." 

Others Takes

By Tanu

Wishing everyone a Happy and a Prosperous New Year!

It was a well-executed episode, kudos to the writers.

Trishna was a surprise when she decided to hide Ballu's return from her mother. Given how she reacted to the situation the only reason shed wil do the movie is if Ballu forces her to do the movie. It wont take much time for him to figure out that RK wants his identity as the producer to be hidden. So there is no effective way of RK-Trishna talking to eachother… Ballu may use that to his advantage. Trishna might do the film to shield her family (Yes, I am being generous and giving her a benefit of doubt!)

Malik-RK-Madhu scene was very well done. It was heartwarming to hear Malik refer to RK as Rishabh. RK was amazingly mature in the way he spoke to Malik. Yes, RK has an advantage of being the son-in-law because of which the reaction of Malik was toned down. I loved the way RK started off with '...ek duje ke prati parva, chinta aur izzat bahut hai… manna nahi par pyar bhi hai!' he paused at that for Malik's reaction and all he got was Malik's silence which said it all. As RK pointed out it was so obvious Malik was worried about Padmini's reaction and what she would think of him. It is in a way wonderful and in many way too sad that Malik loves Padmini with so much of devotion and yet chose not to tell her anything. They needed to get together a lot earlier… they didn't deserve such incomplete lives being together. There was a stark contrast in the way RK spoke and the way Madhu spoke… cant really fault Madhu because she was too emotional about the entire issue. RK kept the entire conversation as them being two individuals who respect eachother immensely and may even be in love which is why their relationship ought to be given a name. On the other hand  Madhu bluntly said 'aap pati patni se kum tho nahi ho na' She deserved Malik's wrath for that simply because it didn't sound good. What I really liked was the fact that Malik didn't for a moment deny through words or reactions that he loved Padmini nor was he ashamed of it… he was man enough to accept it when it is no longer his secret.

RK is back to RKism... he is using his way to get around to Padmini-Malik about their love for eachother. Did I read Padmini slaps him? He sure deserves it… faking an accident is so not done. But I am sure RK wont mind a bit… he will stand around with an amused smile teasing away Padmini and Malik. Malik will be fine with the marriage thing aslong as Padmini is fine… so can have RK handling Padmini instead of Madhu and Trishna, please?

Bhupinder who plays Malik, isn't an extra ordinary actor but is decent enough an actor… but there are times he reminds me of Dharmendra's 'Tumhara khoon pi jaunga' expression…which is so not cool.

Precap – The nafrat ki deewar is being brought down a pillow at a time.

By Zoya_Naziya

Wishing everyone here a very Happy New Year!!!! May this year bring joy and happiness into yours and your loved one's lives..

Hope some of you had a rocking start and some have a rocking start to the year!!!

Coming to the episode, it was a very eventful and quite a gripping one with all the scenes directed towards the coming toofan in their lives.

Trishna displayed morbid fear on seeing Balraj to such an extent that she faints on the spot. She then comes running to hug her mom, the only person who can truly comprehend her fear and calm her as it is only they both who have been oppressed and traumatised firsthand by the ruthless tyrant. She stops short from revealing about Balraj prolly coz she already looked a lil worried and had blurted by asking if Madhu told her sth. On hearing Madhu's name, I am assuming Trish realized that it is not just her mom and she but even Madhu needs to be kept away/saved from Balraj's wrath. 

Another episode stealer scene apart from the above was the RK-Malik-Madhu scene. It was handled very neatly with no emotions running out of place. I truly loved the scene coz both RK and Malik were using their head to comprehend what was being put-forth by other and answering back in a similar fashion.

Malik clearly understands where RK(and Madhu) are coming from. But he tries to appease the situation by keeping Padmini in mind.  His anger was for the fact that broaching this subject would have caused anguish to Padmini.He tells that his r'ship with Pads is one that he has nurtured with respect and trust and RK points out that  love, care , concern for each other is what has made it a beautiful one. Malik knows Pads might be a strong but still is very deeply-rooted in customs and traditions. He is happy the way things are doesn't want to take a single chance and taint their pure r'ship.  Such a selfless soul. Beti ke liye jaan ki parwah nahi ki and us beti ki maa ke liye zindagi ki parwah nahi ki. 

RK understands the unspoken and the spoken emotions of Malik and hence gears upto the next part of his plan i.e, Mission sasuma ko patao.

I truly liked that RK-Bittuji scene too. Lot of things were running in RK's head but the moment he finds Bittuji worried/tensed, he tells him to aaram se displace the tension on Balraj's(root cause of Bittuji's tension) head.

Interesting times ahead as to what Ballu will do to woo his heroine back to the film offer. Will he stalk/trsck her down to the chawl thus coming face-to-face with his past? What will be his plan of action thereafter? What would RK do if Trish refuses to take up Ballu's film offer?

@Soundarya and others: Your much awaited pillow barrier is breaking down

By Ananya05

Beautiful episode, with everyone playing their part brilliantly.

After many many days I liked Trishna today. I liked the fact that she chose to hide her encounter with ballu from her mother and keep it to herself, although it might not be an intelligent move. I also liked the fact that she showed recognition that Madhu too falls in the line of danger(probably more than them) along with herself and her mother now that ballu is back in town. But ballu will not keep quiet. Remember what tamasha he created to get into this movie with RK. Aur ab to heroine mana kar rahi hai. He will surely track her down and that is when he might come face to face with padmini and madhu.

Madhu-RK-Malik scene was brilliant. One of the best in recent episodes. Everyone has already written beautifully about it. I agree with all of you, so won't write too much and make things repetitive. But, I will not refrain myself from praising RK and Malik. Padmini and Madhu are truly lucky to have these two men in their lives, who will always put these two ladies ahead of themselves. 

RK once again proves what a skilled man he is when it comes to reading people and putting his point across to them. Loved how he understood the unspoken emotions of Malik for Padmini and made Madhu understand it once Malik left.

To ab RK sasuma ko manane ke liye thappad bhi khane ko tayar hai. Wah! Daamad ho to aisa!

Precap: sent me to dreamland..

by apolloartemis

Great reviews guys, though I had to skim through them (so tired from yesterday and today...)

Watched the episode and I must say it was a very good one. CV's seem to finding the balance between telling Rishbala's story and telling the story of everyone around them- while Rishbala are the focus they are not dominating the narrative, which I like. I think, especially given the six day thing going on now, taking some of the heat of the leads is definately a good thing, as it'll give them some time off, so to speak. Everyone can share the pain if they keep going the way they are.

I loved the way they handled Trishna- I said it before and I'll say it again, no way in heck she would act with Ballu, not the way she feels about him. Her scenes with Padmini were also very good...a daughter who knows there is calamnity coming, but wants to protect her mother above everything else. In no way shape or form was Trishna in her "stepmother/stepdaughter" mode today, and it was heartwarming to see.

Liked the scene between Malik/RK/Madhu. The two men really are alike in the way they view Madhu and their loved ones. Malik endured 20 years of taunts for his respect and love for Padmini, and RK's obsession with Madhu will lead him heaven knows where. I don't think RK could ever be as selfless as Malik has been though. Madhu is his and he'll burn the world to keep her.

What I am excited about is the upcoming confrontration with Ballu. It'll be nice if it's a family effort, not just a Rishbala thing.

Also, is anyone noticing that RK is genuinely coming close to Madhu's family, but still keeping a distance from his mother? I mean in the sense that he does trust Malik and Padmini...but he'll never trust his mother again.

Who gets the title Radunce again- woman, for the love of Pete, stop listining to your elder DIL- grow a brain!

Subtleties of Relationships - Emotions when Overridden and when Allowed

Subtleties of Relationships - Emotions when Overridden and when Allowed

I could not help thinking of certain scenes and going over them

Trishna-Padmini Scene today

The questions I raised on 26th Dec over episode 154 are now answered.

>>>>That's another story for tomorrow when RK's crazily jealous and Hawa Mein Udne waali Heroine Trishna will meet Balraj. Will she recognize her father ? Will she be stubborn enough to forget Balraj and let her dreams of becoming a Heroine play on ? We have to watch this tomorrow.

>>>>

Yes, Trishna recognized her father. 

No. She was not stubborn. But petrified enough to turn down the movie, forget her dreams.

Instead, I saw a panic-stricken girl run home to her chawl, then remember her mom as the best ally to share her fears. And when she has the chance to actually inform her mother, she thinks better of it and doesn't want to drag her mother into those memories. The girl for the first showed us that she is capable of thinking of her mother before her fears.

I still don't know where all this is leading to, But it was one of the endearing scene today between Trishna and Padmini. The way Trishna hugged her mommy from behind and Padmini sensed her nervous tension and was kissing her like a small baby...that was so beautiful to watch. Probably that shelter, that love pacified Trishna a bit. And when Padmini just talks of Madhu randomly because of her nervous tension that she had gone through the day, Trishna only become wiser there. She becomes the girl, who was thinking like a grown up girl and trying nip the bud...try to sort a problem, the source of pain being herself only. For it is her dream of becoming the Heroine has led her to meet her dreadful father. So why don't just turn that down.

Shamsher- RK -Madhu Scene from today 

Radha -Dipali -Madhu Scene from yesterday

Madhu- Padmini scene from Yesterday

Shamsher -Padmini - RK scene from 19th Dec

Trishna - Madhu scene just before Madhu's marriage with RK and later the curse....

The drastic contrast in understanding sensitivity and privacy of relationships between Madhu and Rishabh comes out in the open in yesterday and today's episodes, in the manner Madhu approached Padmini and Rishabh approached Shamsher for the same thing....to convince them to marry the person he or she loves

Strangely, in this matter, Shamsher, Padmini and even Trishna are on Rishabh Kundra's camp side, in the way they approach people in emotional manner.

We get to fully understand Shamsher, for the man he is......The self-less man, who loves the woman but will not tell her as he would do anything to keep the regard honorable for her, in her trust of him. Padmini's knight in shining armour. I talked about this in my previous post.The man had already refused to let live his life when knowing that he loves Padmini and yet never let her know about it to her, so what it matter to him if he just decides to kill the man he believes to have ruined his daughter's life and gets punished. What has he got to lose anything? He was just living the promise he made to her in silent regard to Padmini ....to care for her and her happiness....and something which is now his too....his daughters. We get to see how it wrenches his heart to know that someone tried to destroy the relationships he had built with care all these years. [examples being how Madhu and RK hurt Padmini in talking about marriage, or how RK ruined the lives of his daughters Madhu and Trishna...yes he does cite Trishna too in his anger for RK]

We get to see Padmini, how she strives to be a good mother and also a caring woman for a man who had taken care of her in selfless manner. Yesterday we saw how it wrenched her heart that something that she guarded sacredly in her heart is out in the open for people to trample it. And hence her closing the windows of her hoise before everyone can trample on those sacred feelings.

We get to see why Trishna is sour and not strong, but yet grounded enough to speak out her mind to Madhu for what they received at their end in consequence to Madhu's self-righteous actions. We get to see always, how she is hurt at things getting destroyed. Because, she has seen the negation of love, regard or feeling. And then she saw it given to her. She may not have been a builder of it, but she learned to feel, she understood what it is to be loved and what it is to be regarded. And now she is just scared to lose it. And hence all her anger lashed out at Madhu when she saw Madhu as the reason for it. It is only today we see, something other than Madhu returning to ruin all that she has. It was painful to see that.

Rishabh Kundra knew young that it hurts when love is lost, feeling is lost. In this regard he gets quite closer to the regard what the other 4 built (Trishna, Padmini, Shamsher and Roma). That's why he could say, Madhu you are lucky.

In severe contrast, Madhu ended up living the truths of relationships and honoring them that others beautifully built with love and trust. Be it Trishna and Padmini, not true daughter and mother, but bound together in like feelings, or Shamsher and Padmini not husband and wife and yet bound in regard for each other. Madhu never had to see what bound those four people together...Trishna, Padmini, Shamsher and Roma. She never had to build relationships. She just had to live them in truth as passed on to her, as inherited by her since the day she was born. Madhu never had to build any relationship  even with Rishabh Kundra. Like all her other relationships, she got him too in marriage. And all she had to do was respect the truth of their relationship.

Now how this knowing of ...what it takes to build a relationship and what it takes to destroy a relationship is what sets apart Trishna, Padmini, Shamsher and Rishabh from Madhu. This is where Madhu overrides emotions because she just had to accept what was already built by others for her. This is where the other four accept emotions because they had to override non-existence of it and from there build a relationship strong on the foundation of regard for each other,

Rishabh beautifully understands relationships, the nuances, the subtleties everything. He sees and feels every feeling of the emotional content of the relationship. 

In contrast Madhu is very blunt. She sees and feels, but overrides the subtleties of the feelings and just goes ahead with rubbing the truth on feeling persons. In the process she barges into the private fortification of the persons and causing hurt to them. She rather feels okay to undermine their emotional demands. Its only because of the truth that she is saved, she is listened to by them. We see how bluntly she put forth the truth to Padmini yesterday and now to Shamsher. She elicited anger out of both her parents. And this is same like she did with even Rishabh Kundra earlier in their relationship and even now capable of it, In moments where she would think truth (that she considers right) should be honored, she would not think twice to hurt her loves ones. And this is the reason, she is able to tolerate Radha, because she is not emotional about her, but just lives the truth of her relationship.

Seeing the modalities of it, we can see how Rishabh Kundra, gives a lot of space to the persons, that he is talking to and logically goes about presenting his thought about them or deliberating about them. He is never offensive but being respecting and expecting the same respect for his thought. He is always about what can hurt people and how not to hurt them. He is capable of using that information to make or break them further. Inspite of being insulting at times, he is still devoid of being emotionless and expresses the feelings with all warmth involved. This is how he convinced Padmini, putting the onus of her getting back with Shamsher few episodes back. The way he said unki Beti, Aapki bhi Beti....Sochiega... Now he convinced Shamsher too with Thande dimaag se sochiega and talking about their love...The way Rishabh speaks, is seeing truth without getting hurt and slowly accepting it with open heart. This is what he showed to Trishna as well. Rishabh strives to build relationships.

In these modalities of building relationships is where Madhu fails with Rishabh in the love confession track. She was being truthful, but her emotional response to Rishabh's emotions was misplaced. She chose to see truths of finite nature instead of choosing to feel the truths of moments that build a secure foundation bit by bit. This is the flawed understanding that she has with regards to Rishabh and Radha relationship. She thinks, both son and mother should see truth as truth and just kiss and make up with each other. As usual, her emotional response to mother and son is misplaced again. She thinks that the mother should exercise her right to be a mother and just get on with it. And she conveniently fails to see that woman is bad example for her to work on. And she also thinks that son should just accept the truth that he can never stop being the son to his mother, so why make an ado of the hurts and feelings and expectations. And she does the same thing with Trishna. She chooses to keep quiet with Trishna's jealous rants, but never chooses to fight back thus actually relieving Trishna's misconceptions about her insecurities...because the truth for her is that Trishna suffered and so she just accept it and live on and always treat her as her sister. And that's how she overrides Trishna's words. She asked Madhu not to come to the house, but Madhu hardly ever cares to think what would Trishna think if she sees her visiting her mother behind her back. And now the same with Dipali and how she asks her husband to be polite. 

Basically Madhu is all about living the truths and honoring them and never thinks it right to dissolve herself in emotional feelings...the feelings that tug at heart. Her father calls her a girl with golden heart. But truly it is her sense of ability to see the ulterior truth beyond the immediate emotional moments which make her a formidable woman with strength and charity. She is ready to forgive everyone and expects everyone to be correctly living their lives based on their truths. But she fails to see the biggest truth of relationships. That they need building through emotional regard, timely responses, discrete responses, discrete actions and not just hope to nuture the already built relationship through plain obtuse acceptance of it or just resolve to fix a broken relationship through plain denial of the need for emotional warmth of relationship.

Until Madhu understands what it took for these 4 people to build relationships around them, she would never be able to preserve their relationships purely with her beliefs of honoring the relationships. I just hope that a day comes that Madhu realizes that she is lucky and never had to build anything from nothing. I just hope that she realizes thaw how the other 4 have been unlucky and yet trying to build happiness around them ...in finding love most of all. I just hope that how forcible she is being in trying to have Rishabh honour his relationships with Radha and Dipali by asking him to negate emotions and just live the truth. I just hope that she understands that she needs to see the silver lining in honoring relationships....like its okay when Padmini and Trishna bond, when Shamsher and Padmini bond, but its just not okay for her to ignore the underlying bad vibes and decadence so transparently visible in her asking Rishabh to patch up with Radha as a matter of fact honoring of truth.

In all of this...when Balraj comes out to seek her life, will she then realize what it is to lose what she loves that she may not have built, but yet been striving to keep them. I wonder...