Changing Madhu Post Revenge Track

9th March 2013 - Change is clearly seen from 6th March as Plotlines are changing with New Character Entry in the form of Aryan, Sultan's son.

Story transitions from Revenge to Realization affecting Character Changes - Changing Plotlines- February to March going into future

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

You are right. Realization before redemption.

What people have to understand that RK's insecurities can be easily fixed, resolved, but the problem is the moment he is fixed, MEIEJ factory will be locked. It will be out of production. Hence the long winded conflicting drama.  

What I don't understand, is why people on this thread keep looking confused over obvious things and not get confused over so many other things. Like in actual terms what entertainment quotient it will have for entire March month, if the drama created by RK is actually that of being a builiding being bull-dozed. 

Page 1 and ardent MEIEJ drama lovers at this moment feel confused, not because we don't understand the story, not because we don't understand the pain and suffering that RK has to go through, not because we don't know he has to become a rubble to recreate himself into a new person. Yes the man has the history of breaking and recreating himself. He built an RK before from Rishu and Rishabh. Now he has started the process of breaking RK, his mother has become the official spokesperson and told the viewers. It is she ..once on Monday and then on saturday, clearly against his painted image, taunting his drinking, has voiced out his debasement of his mega image.

While Rishabh Kundra agrees with his mother (though he shows as if he did not heed to her) and when she leaves the room, exactly does what she wants him to think on, the MEIEJ writers problem is how much of Rishabh Kundra can be resolved. They are the ones preserving RK confusion and insecurities. They delve on monthly themes...like Feb month was Revenge drama that was executed with aplomb for RK, but ended with thud in drunken drama as Rishabh Kundra confessed he is not happy to the contrary. A revenge that should have brought happiness to him has brought misery to him...the reasons of which he is not aware yet, even in his drunkeness, except the fact that he has a heart that can bleed.

Now the Feb month was also a drama of being cheated, made a mockery of being the Open Book. That was Madhu.  This was reactionary to the action staged by RK. And what happened. Radhaji as the spokesperson again approached Madhu and asked her not to get broken but instead break the one who broke her. Though Madhu refused to do anything on the face value there, but once Radhaji left, she chose the same path for herself. She made it her decision, her way. And what have we seen so far. Madhu is keeping close to RK, in actual terms of being physically close to him, spends her day time in front of him, whereas she has completely moved away from Padmini (who is a good person) and keeps good relationship with Trishna. 

Increasingly Madhu is NOT thinking about her family (which she never has to begin with...she goes by her priorities and she picks people by her choice...that's her characteristic trait). Madhu is now being shown to us as Closed Book. We have raved on Wednesday and Thursday that she did not think even once for Padmini and Trishna and that she is in danger and why she doesn't sense anything of it.  In my opinion, probably, Madhu's dictionary of words and their meaning is re-written. May be everything is now the opposite. May be guns, killing and isolation are no longer fearful things and may be she feels more safe there. Her insecurity is actually facing Security and hence naturally getting attracted to danger. She already said, she does not fear darkness now. She did get nervous when lights went off in studio (courtesy Bittuji), but one concern from RK, set her off and her steely resolve kicked in and she decided to be not afraid of dark. 

Self-Destruction is the current theme for Madhu and RK

If RK's brain is over-working, and he is on destructive path for himself, even Madhu's brain is over-working and she is on destructive path and killing her previous psyche.  I was telling Zoya yesterday, as how when RK confidently went about his romantic dialogues before Shradda, Madhu could not be affected by it and there was so much latent anger coming into her, setting her off...as in blaming herself, how could she have got swayed to that sweet talk and believed him of ever loving her. RK's words and dialogues will now never mean anything to her. Basically Madhu is shutting herself off to RK for whatever she was attracted (his concern for her, his drama), but what she keeps studying from him is his resilence.  She now wants to become RK, that RK that he had so proudly built for himself. Now Madhu wants to become that unpredictable, unreachable, unattainable RK...woh mitti jo kahin se  sukhi hai, kahin se gili hai. She seems to be with him only to get more determined, more and more become that land mine ready to blast should anyone step on her. And this is completely within CV's characterisation and plotlines. They always wanted Madhu to copy RK and that is what Madhu is now doing. Rk even has said this dialogue for viewer benefit..."Madhu/Biwi, you will always copy me".

What I have shown you through the above write-up is that CVs have still their plotlines, characterizations intact. They used Radhaji yet again as the driver for next phase of MEIEJ story like I always say...She asked Madhu to break RK and asked RK to accept what his heart says, basically bring out his real self---her son Rishu. Now please let's not go into debate of how selfish she is etc...even if she is selfish...she is not the one who asked Madhu to slap RK and she is not the one who asked RK to marry her. She is only trying to fix the biggest ever screw-up these two committed. She is making the best of it...and going to the roots...to bring back the person who was lost 17 years back. If she doesn't go by this strategy, how is she even to help Madhu. She wants to have sanity around her like us. It was revenge drama then when she was introduced and more open war. She thought good from other people than her will change her son. Its only because of her that RK started the fake game. Somewhere RK still fears his mother and gives more credence to her than Madhu. And when Madhu rejected RK on Friday, Radhaji never said she was wrong. In the end Radhaji, whatever people may think of her, is a vault of knowledge and will always run things for MEIEJ drama as it should, as a voice of public opinion, ethical sense, societal decorum. On Saturday, Radhaji again voiced out her concern that Madhu is not okay, that something is bothering her. And now we have to see, what she can do to find out what's ailing Madhu in literal sense and how Madhu might be closing out on the world and shutting everyone out of her life. She was so right when she said to Padmini in those early days that yeh rishta Madhu ke liya accha nahin, par rishu ke liye sahi hai...and now she is again right when she said...what twisted relationship both her son and her DIL share with each other, as in she did not get why Madhu would even allow RK to torment her and why after tormenting her RK would want to show her concern.

13th March 2013 - Explanation of the change in Terms of Emotional Change requirement

Madhu gets slapped by Padmini for lying to her, for spending two nights at Sultan-The Mob Man's place

By Zoya Naziya

Ok... This is how I have perceived madhu's character as... Feel free to correct me if i am wrong...

Madhu has never been righteous, etc,etc..Plz do not add any kind of oh-so-noble adjectives to her character and get confused!!!

Madhu decides to focus on something and she goes about achieving it plainly, bluntly, obtusely... she does not think about the pro's and con's, why's, what's, how's , which!!!!! And she uses something that is just staring right at her face...

Be it sending RK to jail, instilling RK's faith in Bappa, RK-Radha milaap, and now Aryan... She has attached herself to Aryan and so doing everything she feels is good and right to Aryan!!! I did not perceive her not going to the cops to protect RK or family or whatever!!! And family takes a backseat when she goes on her little missions... I failed to see it that way today... If she really did it for RK, then may be her future actions would shed light on it...

Am not saying she is bad or that her intentions are not good but that's just the way she is...

Actually I liked it that she did not go to the cops... If I was in her place, I would have done the same and told Padmini that superstar se panga leke yahan pahunch gayi ab main kyun don aur gundon se panga loon... I really don't know if Madhu actually learnt anything from it or not.

By Anastasia

@bold: I second that but wouldn't you say, when she goes on in her missions, in her mind she thinks she is being righteous and absolutely true. I have never actually seen her second guessing her own actions or acknowledging that there might be room for error. Only twice, as far I can recall, she had apologized to RK, for the photographs and for suggesting Padmini-Shamsher marriage. 

By Ananya

That is her basic chaarcteristic trait. She is always over-confident about her decisions and actions. In fact, if you compare her to RK, there is no element called self-doubt in her. So, she does not feel the need to put a check on her actions.

By Myself

Zoya,

I agree with you. I too did not see her protecting RK or her family. At this point it is all about her ego and her needs. Ego cannot be always called bad. Ego is the driving force of the expressed personality.  Madhu had become a dead-pan person with RK's jilt.  All we could see was pain on her face as if trying to understand, how such hate can exist in anyone (according to her understanding) so much that they don't see love, and go on crushing hearts.

In her present depressed state of mind, where she is being consciously forced to come to understand reality as something else than what she thinks from her heart, she happened to see this innocent kid. That kid is something her heart understands and she is naturally feeling comfortable to bond with.  Now in her weak mind (remember she is depressed), she has added extra energy to bond with the kid to show herself that her principles were never wrong, that her thinking from heart was not wrong, that she never made any mistake...because ultimately, when confidence takes a blow, its ego which is hit...and hence ego starts fighting back. Madhu therefore is protecting her bond with that kid because it means her survival. That is why if you see, from her return from Sultan's place, she is effectively able to answer RK, with lot of clarity.

Yesterday, pnars made a fun post of Madhu as fairy mother with RK and Aryan as two kids. Honestly it was not a fun post. It was a bible. Because that is the truth. Madhu was attracted to RK the man, but she bonded with RK the kid as well and mistook him that this is the real person inside him.  Probably she is right, probably she is wrong...but her need is to be matron. I think Charu called her Mother Teresa. We think she joked...but honestly that is her truth. Madhu has this innate need in her character to take care of people...that is a morbid trait in her ...if we call RK suffering from borderline personality disorder...even Madhu morbidly wants to lay down her life in pouring life into some other vulnerable person. And her biggest problem is she is not wise at all. So it is like God had given a golden heart to her but took away sense from her and hence her miserable choices.  Because...just compare Madhu with Padmini...Padmini too is angel...but she is not ill-advised by her mind. She knew when to be afraid of her evil husband, when to run away and when to shoot...unlike Madhu, who was smiling even hanging from noose when RK was fighting the goons.

What I am trying to explain is ...yes she does need to believe that she was right in loving RK and it was wrong of RK to have spurned that love...so now she has found another mission, where she can show to herself that loving is infact magic...this is the reason, she lectures Sultan and openly offers her help with the price tag of Please from him.

Her lashing out at RK...is just spewing out her pain...it will go on until she forgets all the reasons why she loved him...and in my opinion, this is actually good...She needs to have find a balance...and another IMO...she is mentally far removed from Padmini at this stage...out of fear she seems to agree with her, but actually her ego will not allow her to agree with Padmini coz Padmini in one or the other way reminds her of her hurt and whereas Madhu wants none to remind her anything about RK...coz only she has that right to recall.

Originally posted by Sima14

Shri

I remember POCo ( The Black Jaguar ) mentioning in one of her reviews that one day Madhu will become another RK..

Sima,

Even last weekend I said Madhu was becoming RK. But that is only to the extent of her becoming a closed person like RK. Madhu is closing herself, cutting herself off her everyone and relying more and more on her thinking. She might still chant Apni Maa ke sahaare yuhin Balweer hoon, but no...she is infact becoming alone. Previously she was a confident person, a warm person, now she is broken person, a hurt person. So she like RK wants to hide her broken personality behind an exterior. 

That is the reason now RK knows she has become inaccessible to him. Out the of the quarrel...one thing has come out very clearly...RK cannot love this new Madhu and likewise Madhu cannot even stand the sight of RK, especially now she has Aryan on whom she can shower as he deserves (that's her thinking). 

Anyways the present track is still to be laid down, so who know what other changes we will see in both Madhu and RK.

15th March - Post a Slap given by Radhaji to RK, and her three Confrontations with Rishabh since 8th March. Two Chawl Drama Reversal confrontations and One confrontation in RK Mansion.

When Madhu came into RK Mansion...The feel was so much there of the family feel. The Scene between Madhu and Radhaji was so poignant, they seemed such a family together...the duo against RK and RK alone and yet those two women important to him. Madhu infact felt right when Radhaji showed her anger, though she felt bad for RK. 

I hope people agree here, but I see Madhu healed a lot because of the three confrontations with Rishabh since last Friday and the two slaps, one to her from her mother and one to RK from Radhaji. Even Madhu needs to realize the gravity of her spending two nights away from home. If Radhaji was talking about a woman's "samman" in Madhu's defence, even Madhu should realize that RK has just started talking about it and she gave him the reason...what if people working at the studio and also living in the chawl, start blabbing about her night errands. Atleast RK raising a ruckus has put an end to public talk as now Padmini taunts her and RK makes public scenes. All these consequences have brought out the old Madhu. Now I think we can agree on that she doesn't look depressed anymore. Do you agree?

16th March - Madhu reaches home and explains everything to Padmini, that RK broke her phone, had hired people to watch over her, she went to his house to confront him and how his mother was ashamed of his activities. She assures Padmini, she shall never cause that to her mother. She also says that she cannot help it, but it is her need to stand uto Rishabh Kundra until he backs out. She also tries to assure her mother that she has not changed.

CVs showing that Rishbala relationship is not all lost.

Rishbala moment- RK next day at the studio is ready to apologize to Madhu. First she is not ready to give him her time and when he finally pins her against the wall, she turns her face away. He tells her she need not talk to him and just needs to listen to her, but needs to look at him. He notices Madhu shedding tears, turns her face towards him and is moved at her closed eyes. As she opens her eyes, he tries to wipe her tears, Bittuji interrupts them. Why ? Because, just around that time outside the studio, Sultan has come with his men to personally break the windshield of RK's car to punish him for threatening his kid that he shall not be able to walk. He leaves a threatening letter to RK. RK losing his temper again...

By Soundarya22

Now Madhu is faking 'hate'..(we always knew that).  The change of tone in RK's voice still has the power to bring her to tears. Poor girl...this is what she needs to get over. And RK is faking 'whatever' (God knows what)...because her closeness, her tears automatically softens him. He forgets what he has to say, proceeds to wipe her tears. 

Originally posted by Angeena

But why was Madhu crying? 

Responded by Myself

Viewers and RK were saying..."Kaun Hai Yeh Ladki ?" We all saw a changed Madhu since 6th March.

So they showed the tears...to tell us and RK, that she is still our Glycerine...and not to worry. 

Originally posted by Soundarya22
RK corners Madhu, she averts her eyes. He turns her face, discovers she has tears, he gets affected, both of them get into a deep eyelock, her eyes teary but accusing. RK is about to wipe her tears, when Bittuji comes running in. SO whats new!!?? We cannot even have one Rishbala scene in peace. 

Responded by Myself

And Bittuji is back in business to INTERRUPT. 

Seems CVs the teachers just decided to rap us on our heads and reminding us what we have forgotten.

Originally posted by zorica

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Originally posted by zorica

FazzyBoom: Oh wow! His expression, his caress, his longing, her hesitation.. You've captured it amazingly well Zorica. Thank you. You always capture the essence of the scenes

SD: My dedication for these two posters.

<<<MAMMA MIA  from ABBA>>>

Just one look and I can hear a bell ring

One more look and I forget everything, w-o-o-o-oh

Mamma mia, here I go again

My my, how can I resist you?

Mamma mia, now I really know,

My my, I could never let you go.

***(Applicable for both RK and Madhu)

                           

Full lyrics

I've been cheated by you since I don't know when

So I made up my mind, it must come to an end

Look at me now, will I ever learn?

I don't know how but I suddenly lose control

There's a fire within my soul

Just one look and I can hear a bell ring

One more look and I forget everything, w-o-o-o-oh

Mamma mia, here I go again

My my, how can I resist you?

Mamma mia, does it show again?

My my, just how much I've missed you

Yes, I've been brokenhearted

Blue since the day we parted

Why, why did I ever let you go?

Mamma mia, now I really know,

My my, I could never let you go.

I've been angry and sad about things that you do

I can't count all the times that I've told you we're through

And when you go, when you slam the door

I think you know that you won't be away too long

You know that I'm not that strong.

Just one look and I can hear a bell ring

One more look and I forget everything, w-o-o-o-oh

Mamma mia, here I go again

My my, how can I resist you?

Mamma mia, does it show again?

My my, just how much I've missed you

Yes, I've been brokenhearted

Blue since the day we parted

Why, why did I ever let you go?

Mamma mia, even if I say

Bye bye, leave me now or never

mamma mia, it's a game we play

Bye bye doesn't mean forever

Mamma mia, here I go again

My my, how can I resist you?

Mamma mia, does it show again?

My my, just how much I've missed you

Yes, I've been brokenhearted

Blue since the day we parted

Why, why did I ever let you go

Mamma mia, now I really know

My my, I could never let you go

28th March - EP 231 - Padmini says to Madhu - You are not Aryan's mother. Madhu looks hurt.

Mine-SD - Take1

First my cringing at the lack of hygenic sense.

Madhu is in the same clothes since last 36 hours, been working herself in surgery, cooking, shopping, escaping, running etc etc...and yet she comes to the table and eats her supper in same clothes. And did Padmini not smell her clothes ? May be tiny-meeny bit of sweat and blood ?!!!

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Padmini - Expected. That is just a viewer respite enacted to make the viewer feel better. But Padmini is powerless before Haulon Se Veer Madhu.  Sooner than later, Madhu will be back in business of generating drama. She is ofcourse the plot and Padmini has to support Madhu's madness. Let me remind you.

During Mukund Track...Padmini reprimanded Madhu. Asked her, point-blank...if she feels anything for Mukund which may have become the reason for her "seva-giri" of Mukund. Madhu at that time looked all confused. Then later Padmini said, Mukund would be a good match for her and she can say yes to Mukund.

In RK track...Padmini asked Madhu not to be afraid of RK and break away all hold and later she advised her daughter to become full-fledged wife. At various stages Padmini gave her support and strength to Madhu.

In current track, Padmini has reprimanded Madhu and informed Madhu that she is not the mother of the kid. So guess what, get ready to hear Padmini sooner than later advising Madhu to become the mother as the Child needs one and Madhu loves the kid too.

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Today, I was not upset by RK's forced shot over the screen. That was just a reminder to viewers that RK is not dead and he is alive. So that confusing scene of him recalling  Madhu + Sultan + Himself + Sultan...and we don't know why he is gritting his teeth...may he now recalls that Sultan is a gangster.

Pre-cap

They also forcefully reminded Madhu that RK still exists through that poster. That shot showed us that Madhu has completely forgotten about Superstar RK. She got scared and yet she advanced to see something...what will she see ? Bhujang's men or RK's men or Sultan leaving ?

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Madhu looks hurt that her mother told her that she is not the mother of the kid. Atleast in Mukund track, Madhu looked confused at what her mom insinuated. Now clearly she is hurt that she cannot be mother to Aryan.

Madhu...kya maajhra hai ? Kya chal raha hai tumhaare dimaag mein ? Ab toh batao yaar ??? Its been too much keeping secrets since 6th March. Why that kid has become so obsessively dear to you ? Kuch toh khulaasa karo ?!!!!  Or you want us viewers to stalk you like RK in getting the answer from you..."Aakhir kya lagta hai Aryan tumhaara ?"

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Episode Take 2

After watching EP 231, I had only idea stamped on my mind.

When Sultan will try to leave Chawl with Ayran and Kaaka, how Madhu will folllow them and say, "Leave Aryan here with me as its not safe for him to be with you."

Imagine the expressions Sultan might give. 

It would be heights of craziness...but this is where it is headed.  Its very clear that Madhu is heading for nervous breakdown. Something close to her heart was snatched and now she is trying to snatch something from someone for something that makes her heart work.

She is being unreasonable and she would have to actually cry relentlessly for Sultan taking Aryan away and at the same time her family support her to cry out her pain...Until she cries her hearts-fill, she will not be reasonable.  Hope Madhu gets to cry...and not just act strong with that nerve-wrecking facade of hers.

She has tried to move on in a way that is only being detrimental to her.  But will the viewers perceive this ?

1st April 2013 -Madhu's current portrayal in the story - Shabari Mata (for tasting food)- Oblivious to how she is flaring up Sultan's emotions (romantically).

Originally posted by apolloartemis
I've hit upon why Madhu is so gun-ho about Sultan/Aryan in her life. It's simple: She see's a little Rishu in Aryan and wants to protect his innocence so Aryan does not grow up and ruin another girl's life. It's for a good cause people! And his dad is nice scenery.
All jokes aside, I really do think its sort of a rebound. RK left Madhu in tatters. We remember how she screamed when she realized what had happened and how desperately she asked Trishna how she was going to live? Aryan/Sultan/Kaka- they are all distractions to throw herself into so she does not have to examine what RK did to her. Everyone is telling her to move on, but that's silly. RK practically severed a limb- it would have taken to recover anyway, if she had not insisted on confronting him and making him hurt.
I'm not saying she does not love Aryan. She does. I'm saying the reason she has lost all common sense is because she's still hurting from RK and looking to let herself be consumed with something else- the more complicated the better. If things around her are simple, then she gets to think. And when she thinks, she remembers RK.
She has no feelings for Sultan. Whenever she interacts with him, I feel like she ticking boxes in a manual- scolded him? Check. He confided in me- comforted him? Check. No feeling, no passion. Just like a automaton.
Holi looks like its going to be interesting. 

Originally posted by _charu_
I'll  have to admit that although I Iike Sultan and his no nonsense attitude, his scenes with Madhu puts me off. they look so forced..Madhu is always barging in..protecting them as if they are her own family...giving explanations , sorries, thank yous ..ufff !! Sultan bhai pehle refused to give any explanation, and refused to divulge his past, then he himself told Madhu..toh it's confirmed ke auntyji is dead....and how does it matter to Madhu ke he plays holi or not??? sachai, achai aur pyar ka gyan dena zaroori hai?

Originally posted by CHAKKU_DAAYAN

This is exactly what I don't like about Madhu.

First of all she is doing an EHSAAN on Bhai and co. by giving them shelter. But then she goes around proving her innocence to them? I mean, shouldn't bhai be the one ensuring her that she and her family would be safe and his presence won't harm them? Why does she do all tasting stuff before giving anything to Bhai and Aryan? These guests don't even trust her this much after what she's done for them? And unki chhodo, what is Madhu's problem?

Originally posted by _charu_

haan, she never did it with Dipali, the adulteration queen. LOL c'mon now wasn't EVERYONE present there eating that sweet prasad? was it poisoned ONLY for Aryan? Shabri mata !!!!

Originally posted by cardio21

If Sultan falls for Madhu, it's all because of hard work done by Madhu. Don't tell me that a 22year old doesn't realize that she is actually encouraging Sultan to fall for her.
I understood her compassion for Aryan. But what's that crap about letting love enter Sultan's life. I am sorry but I am disgusted by the way Madhu's character has been destroyed. I know most people might not like me saying this about her. I always had a soft corner for for whatever she stood up for and had to deal with.
But right now, it's outright selfish. Getting her whole family in trouble. I was thinking that after she sees the cops, she would give it a thought. But no!! She and her stupidity. There are many times I wanted to smack RK but Madhu's recent actions took the cake!!
Can the creatives stop forcing this 3rd angle down our throat or at least let Padmini grow a brain??

Madhu has a penchant for trouble! She seriously needs a job that keeps her busy. And RK did keep her busy!!
Padmini should realize that RK is the only one who can tame her wild daughter. A crazy superstar is definitely less dangerous than being involved with a golden hearted don!!

Originally posted by armummy

This is what I hated in mukku's track too , she spouts dialogues which could be taken as encouragement by others. How can a girl that too from Mumbai not know these things .i want to hit cvs .
. I felt the same when she fed rk first time and talking mr India , totally OTT

Originally posted by pnars

I've been thinking about this. Is she so dense that she doesn't realize the effect of such lines that she's shooting off? In a hyper-aware world such as the one we live in today, even 10 year old girls know such things (my older son informs me that the girls in class - all 10 year olds - were drooling over Siddharth Roy Kapur - Vidya Balan's husband!!! I can understand a Hrithik Roshan or Shahid Kapoor or any of the new young pups, but Vidya Balan's husband??! Just goes to show how much they know). And Madhu lives in a chawl filled with filmwallahs and knows dialogs from movies pat. And this girl goes around encouraging/provoking men with such lines - first Mukund, then RK, and now Sultan!!!

Someone help me understand, please! Shri...where art thou?

Originally posted by desait

can Any one explain me what ST was Trying to say.They are separated yet to gather but Looking at Madhu she is already Move on and Making other Guy fall in Love for her.sorry very upset with Madhu character has been shaped up.I am Not able to understan her. Is she totally Foolish or she is oversmart and Mahan?

Originally posted by Vipisa

@bold 1: She doesn't make Sultan to fall for her knowingly, but some might perceive it that way. If she puts herself in Sultan's place, she might understand that she should not talk the way she does, but when did our Madhu think from others' POV.
@bold 2: Maybe she think she is oversmart, but certainly acts foolish.

Originally posted by apolloartemis

Guys, just one thing I have to say after reading some of these comments: I honestly don't think Madhu realizes anything she is saying is actually encouraging to Sultan. There are two reasons for this: 1) It has been a well established fact that Madhu is unaware of her own beauty/attractiveness to men. That is not something that has changed. In fact, I would argue that RK's betrayal, and the garbage he spouted at her- the fact that she was a chawl girl, the fact that she was unworthy etc, would have had a massive impact on her self-esteem! She's in a low place everyone! Though she does not show it, it is obvious that she still thinks about what RK says/does, and that his words always have an effect. A girl who is such a low place mentally and emotionally- you guys think she has the emotional awareness of attracting another person? I don't think so at all. I think Madhu is just trying to be a good person and genuinely does not think that whatever she is doing can be constructed as an invitation. So if Sultan chooses to fall in love, that is his choice, and in my opinion, Madhu is not to blame.
2) Some girls are not aware of flirtatious mores. Its a fact. I have friends who think they are being friendly to guys and are informed later on that they were flirting and did not realize it. Madhu has been an incredibly sheltered young girl who has by and large stayed away from the film industry (remember she said that should used to cry every time she went on set). All she knew in terms of attraction and love can be/should be attributed to RK. And we all know how that ended. So she does not trust her social interactions except with Aryan, who is a child and thus, unlikely to deceive her. 
Is she being selfish? Yes, she is. But I would argue that after everything she has been through, she has earned that right. She should not put her family in danger. Agreed. But if we give RK so much leeway, and analyze him for everything he has done, we should extend that to Madhu as well.
How many people has RK hurt- how many hit and runs? Bittuji said it had happened before and the Mukund case was unique because he could not make it go away. How many directors/set people has he fired? How many heroines has he hurt? Sultan assured Padmini that nothing would happen to them while he was in the chawl, and Madhu believes that. She still should not have let them stay but she loves/needs Aryan. 
Let's cut the poor girl some slack. There's a storm coming her way.

Originally posted by SD

AA, Your post on Page 9 is bit too far-fetched/far too soft and yielding for an Indian Girl growing up in Indian milieu, be it indian Metropolitan streets, localities, cities or Towns or Villages.

For a Hindu girl,  growing up in India is different than Growing up in Developed countries of West.

Those explanations you are trying to attribute are not digestible for girls like us...yes armummy and pnars pointed out that. We girls, knew how to curb our tongue, dressing and actions as early as when we started getting the hang of things. Yes ! who watched over us, our school teachers and our parents.

The girls are always under scrutiny in India.  For me its just difficult to believe that Padmini did not prepare Madhu for this kind of tough Indian life. I believe, Padmini has taught Madhu. I also believe that Madhu can counter any problem from lech man. Its just that, the way I have seen Madhu (again from the perspective of a woman who grew up in India and lived there for 34 years), she does not care what she utters or does. That attitude in India is present only in "Sar pe Kafan baandh liya" types of woman. She is fit for social service kind or personality, as those people need to be like her for working in India.

Originally posted by zoya_naziya

Agree... Basically all of her actions are bcoz she is fearless... Remember Charu,me ,you,Ananya had a nice convo about this and ananya had used the word FEARLESS perfectly a few days back during the lech episode edt

And this fearless trait has been taught by Padmini with her hauslon ke veer chant... Padmini taught her to be fearless but she failed to teach Madhu that at times, she needs to fear people and back out for one's own good... Am not saying that Padmini is in anyway a bad mother... But yes, Padmini had always warned her when she was heading for trouble... First during RK and now with Sultan... But both the times, she had to bow down to Madhu's stubbornness and craziness...

And now Madhu has grown up that she does what she feels is right and the fact that she has quite a few Balraj's traits(a few not so desirables ones as well)  in addition to all her big-hearted and good traits is why she has shaped up like this...

Originally posted by apolloartemis

That is true...so much of how we see the world is context based and I did grow up in the west, which allows for I suppose a more liberal attitude?
It is likely as you say, but there some of the blame perhaps should be attributed to Padmini as well. The reason I am saying this is the epi when Madhu was going to work, it was Padmini who told her to give milk/tea to Sultan and Aryan-a mixed message given what she was saying before. If those mixed signals are what Madhu grew up with, the some of her attitude can be explained. The rest I say belongs to her hot blood and sense of entitlement (the belief that what she does is right) which is a characteristic of her father and evident in Trishna as well.
It's funny how different things look depending on where/how we live right? That's why it so much fun to be in this thread- you always learn something new!
And can I say how much I love that we talk to each other in a respectful manner? It's such a difference from some of the topics in the MF.

Originally posted by SD

Preet was telling me...how her father cringes each time Madhu gives "apna jhootan" to Sultan and Aryan. And I thought, I was the only one reacting. Actually I don't think the south-Indians can even take that gesture.

jhootan means ...tasting/biting/sipping the food and serving the same again to others.

All this is purposefully shown to provoke disgust within us. 

Otherwise, tell us why Tulsi, Parvati, Gopi Vahu and Sandhya of all other soaps not shown with same kind of gestures ? I have given you four famous TRP pullers of strong women...idealistic and fighters.

Originally posted by armummy

Don't tell me about it, can't you take the food from spoon on to the hand and eat. These are basics we are taught as kids like how to drink water from shared utensils.

I won't rant more , to think I did not even watch this , just reading wu gets me hyper
cvs did it purposefully .

Originally posted by anastasia21

This actually bothers me as well. I didn't point this because I feared coming across as too uptight. Once or twice, in the beginning she did it in josh, I can make peace with that. But if you're going to do it everytime, it's better you come up with a better way. Like carry a spoon and dip it in the tea and milk for a sip. Or with Aryan's prasad today, break a little piece from the corner with your finger. I don't know and I can be way off base, but normally parents wouldn't allow their kids to eat a stranger's jhootan. 

Originally posted by MarathiMulgi

Shri, So are CVs doing this on purpose?

By evoking disgust in viewers by witnessing these utterly unnecessary, useless  and unhygienic acts by Madhu, are CVs hoping that we will say RK you are so much better (even with your unwedding drama and currently unhinged behavior)  than this idiotic Madhu. You are her only savior at this point in our eyes?  Are they elevating RK's character at Madhu's expense?

Originally posted by SD

Nope. 

They are correcting Viewer skewness. Like I said in my page 9 post...we started taking Madhu seriously, which was not supposed to be the case for this crazy drama.  And so the CVs had to show us all this to bring us to a platform, in order for them to tell their story smoothly.

In the end...all characters are puppets in their hands. RK and Madhu both alike. 

Like Minu was saying, inspite of disgusting and slighting acts attributed to MAdhu to make her unpleasant in her eyes, the CVs will make her win in one good dramatic episode, where she will pull of a Salma Agha type of dialogues and show his place to Sultan, RK et all.

What the CVs are doing right now is based on the feedback that people give to writers like ST and RS. You crib, they show you drama that makes u stop cribbing (albeit in reverse manner as they have a different plan)...and you laugh...and at that point, they will give you emotions.

That's why like I said few days back...we should always be honest in giving our feedback to writers, but never question their story. We don't like it, we say it and we wait for relief, if things don't improve and we continue to get suffocated, we make exit.  And it is always good to call a spade a spade rather than trying to support characters unnecessarily.

Thing is drama is always about how a viewer perceives it.

Also make a note...RK is being called a kameena nowadays by the writers because they thought you forgot the he is self-professed mean person but only when it comes to Madhu. Because the reason RK is in MEIEJ because he hit Madhu's time-pass toy Mukku, whose motive those days before accident was to boost confidence in him. 

And lets not go into far-fetched blame game on characters when we don't have facts. We do not know of RK prior to his entry in the show, we don't about his family to the point he revealed. Likewise, we don't know much about Madhu and Trishna other than what they showed. We meet Madhu as 22 year old girl.  People here talk about her as if they knew her from birth and for last 22 years.   We can only talk relatively about these characters by expected behavioural patterns of real people around us like us. Any aberration we find, is an aberration worth noting and making our peace with it....even if we cringe.  If we don't make peace, we crib and complain and that creates a lot of negative energy.  Just that we have to remember entertainment cannot be Sunday Church Service and so the forum should not be forcing puritanical thoughts and instead we just liberate ourselves by creating our own peace...even if that means reprimanding your buddy for continued crib.

How come we all forgot that disgust is precursor to comedy and how come we cannot see that comedy is just a cover for the poignant. When you don't like something...think of R K Laksman's caricatures. Why R K Lakshman...Charu and MM are being excellent these days at that. And I know for sure, both these girls hurt a lot when they see an aberration and they try to laugh it off.

Originally posted by  dramacrazy12

here are my two cents on Madhu-

She is pampered child who has never been told that she is wrong...somehow she has never been taught the art of knowing her boundaries. Everyone around her applauds her for her heart and supports her..It has given her incredible amount of self confidence and holier than thou attitude. She tends to pick a project and then forges ahead without any thoughts to consequences or means employed...it has been true for all her projects -Mukund, RK and lately Aryan. In some ways RK is similar except he tends to read emotional undercurrents with incredible clarity...his only blindspot being his own feelings. In the end it is not Madhu's fault but Padmini's fault...who is a pushover when it comes to her daughters. She forgives Madhu and Trishna for almost anything and everything.

I keep wondering even if Madhu is crazy enough to ignore everything for Aryan...whatever happenned to Trishna and Paddy's brains. It just seems that they letting anything fly so that Madhu can move on.

From a story perspective...for the plot to move forward ...the power dynamics in Rishbala relationship has to change...now that RK is beginning to realize his attachment for Madhu. We need an opportunity for RK and Madhu to realize that they are still stuck at each other despite all the pretensions. I see the current track to lead to that.

On a different note ...I felt that CVs seemed to have changed the pace of the story once they saw viewers were not particularly fond of Sulbala track.

Originally posted by anastasia21

Re dramacrazy12: She is pampered child who has never been told that she is wrong

That is I think, the root of all the problems. Don't get me wrong, she is a good person and her intentions are always appropriate. But in her mind, she is never wrong, because shewas never told so. For the Maliks, she is a precious child, who was brought back from the door of death. So many people fought to save her life, some died. She was a special one with a prophecy to fulfill. She is not spoiled. She strives to be a better person, but she also wants that pat on the back subconsciously. The funny thing is, she changes her opinion fast and she is gullible. When she gives up, she doesn't pick up that fight again. She resigns and adapts to make her surroundings workable. This is where her vulnerability lies. 

Originally posted by SD

Re dramacrazy12: I keep wondering even if Madhu is crazy enough to ignore everything for Aryan...whatever happenned to Trishna and Paddy's brains. It just seems that they letting anything fly so that Madhu can move on.

There are two reasons why they support her

1) Madhu is stubborn and will become either sly or over-riding. We have see often times...Madhu comes in...her sister and mother asking her where she was etc etc...Madhu keeps quiet (does not lie...so the parents and sibling get that she doesn't want to talk about it)  and asks ...Maa tu chal, Deedu tu chal na...types tone she uses and asks for food (that means she is assertive, rendering the mother and sister more powerless...one) they don't have information, and two) the girl is assertive, which may mean nothing much to be worried).

As a family...what would you do ?  You will keep that person close to you. You show yourself as his/her ally...and slowly make things open up. Else, people can become evasive towards you and not sharing anything with you...every adult knows this.

Isn't it the way, you make peace with your stubborn kid/brother/sister ?  

2) For drama's sake, Padmini and Trishna moralize atleast once...either in the beginning or in the end...but they keep quiet (backed by above family + psychological understanding to deal with a stubborn person) to let the drama happen. In the end...we need Madhu to be stubborn/crazy to prolong the drama of obsessions around her in support of her or against her. For ex: I told you on saturday...at this point I am willing to take Madhu's crazy drama than RK's crazy drama...but I heard that crazy idiot is again going to utter dialogues that will send us RFOL !!!  Phir kya yaar...I will join the party who is going to provide entertainment to me.