Episode 154 Discussion: 26th Dec 2012

Stubborness and Craziness gets you somewhere! Logic can be thrown out of the window.

Episode 154  Discussion: 26th Dec 2012

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Episode Events

• RK continues watching from afar Shamsher and Padmini scene. How Padmini brought medicines for Shamsher and how she was taking care of him. He is jappy watching them and their relationship.
• Bittuji comes and asks RK to come outside as he needs to see something. Outside they see the adamant Balraj doing a drama of ...doing pooja of RK...with aarti. I wonder where he got the lamp and pooja samagri  from. Maybe he stole from the studio. RK and Bittuji are upset with the commotion he is raising, ask him to leave. Upon further argument, RK promises, "okay you can make a movie with me". Balraj leaves. RK regrets that in the heat of the moment he made a mistake of saying yes to Balraj. Bittuji convinces RK, not to bother and think of it as a blessing in disguise. They can have the crazy man produce the film for Trishna and if things get revealed, they can back out and no one would believe this crazy man.
• Later at night, RK and Madhu are practising a script for RK. Madhu repeatedly keeps failing with saying out RK's name each time. Soon that talk leads how Madhu never liked anything about films and how Shamsher had to take care of her in order for her mother and Roma to give the shots. This leads RK to bring the subject of his wish to have Padmini and Shamsher getting married. Madhu gets offended that RK still thinks from his polluted narrow mind and that he feels the need to marry of her parents inspite of their pure platonic relationship. RK explains that it is not that, but it is about her parents requirement for companionship in old age. They need each other's support much more when the children settle down away from them. Madhu is angry and says end of discussion.
• In morning too, Madhu remains upset with RK and doesn't talk to him inspite of him calling her. He reaches dining hall and asks her why she is not talking to him and reminds her that not her, but only him can have that kind of attitude. She tries to serve food for him and he shoves the plate away and comes back to his room in anger. Radha is frightened and Madhu follows RK into his room.
• The fight intensifies and Madhu blurts out that she is still upset with him for suggesting marriage of her parents thinking of their relationship as something impious. RK pulls the upset Madhu into his arms as he cannot see her like that. Hugging her, he says, that's not the case as she thinks of his proposal and that she should think about what he said in calm and collected mind. Madhu then counters RK by saying how about him asking forgiveness from his mother and she can then agree for his proposal.
• RK is very upset at the turn of events and starts thinking over days events in his vanity van. He reads through the contract for Balraj's offer of becoming producer to his venture. He refuses lunch. Bittuji observes all of this and aks what happened. RK asks him to get married and see for himself what sort of troubles brew up. Very endearing scene. Must watch scene.
• Finally Balraj comes in and Bittuji and RK ask him to sign the contract. They inform him that RK will only make a guest appearance in yhis movie and someone else will be the hero. And that heroine has been already short-listed. Balraj expresses his desire to see his heroine...who is none other than Trishna for whom RK is taking so much trouble.

Episode Review

I liked the episode. Very much. Will give an A

Theme being ...Stubborness and Craziness gets you somewhere ! Logic can be thrown out of the window

Continuing from yesterday, so the creatives nicely changed yesterday's precap scene and Padmini and Balraj do not see each other.

Stubborn and Crazy Balraj

What if he had been sent away from the party. He gets another novel and crazy idea. He starts "aarti" of RK the Superstar in front of the poster. The commotion and attention he raises, is enough to drive RK crazy and he agrees to let Balraj become his producer. Balraj gets his way.

Stubborn and Crazy Madhu

What if RK made her unhappy talking about getting Padmini and  Shamsher get married. How dare he!! But then...no she has a plan. She knows how to get back to RK for making her unhappy. Forget about her parent's happiness, its all about her promise to Radhaji to return her son. Squeeze it out of RK while she has chance for it. She blackmails him...ask forgiveness from your mother and then I shall relent and agree to have my parents married. 

Must say Madhu is an excellent negotiator...Chit bhi uski, Pat bhi uski

Head..she wins...RK will refuse to ask forgiveness from Rads...No prob, She does not have to work on her parents marriage.

Tails ...She wins. RK will ask forgiveness from Rads...Madhu gets to have fulfilled her promise to Rads about Ma-Beta Milaap

Can Madhu get any dumber and childish ?

She is acting as an immature brat who doesn't how to deal with RK Logic Express. So she pulls out all her crazy horns! Gosh!! RK married a Child-Wife. Period. She is like the child who is happy to see the world as is and romp and stomp in it with all protection from its parents. Seldom it has time or care to think what might be bothering the parents or what might be the parents sacrificing for its happiness. Hope Madhu really thinks with a cooler mind as RK suggested to her. If she cannot think as Padmini and Shamsher's daughter, atleast she can think as the daughter who is now married to another man, no more just the daughter. 

And will she ever learn not to blackmail RK...with those use of photographs or today's condition at his seemingly desirous outcome. She seems to get a lot of pleasure pinching him hard. 

We are having so far 4 negative traits for Madhu the Self-Righteous

1. She is dumb and in her dumbness can hurt her loved ones (not just RK, anyone) - majorly Mukund track and we always see her being dim.
2. She is stubborn without any reason.
3. She can stoop to blackmail if she thinks it is right to do so. - Meri Maa se Maafi maango track in Aug/Sep and now Tumhaari Maa se Maafi Maango condition
4. She pries into other's privacy and has also audacity to wreak havoc in other's lives through her ill-formed opinions around those scoops. - Ganesha track and her promises to Rads and claiming to change RK almost pushing him towards death, Shamsher track and now Letter/note reading

RK and his woes with Crazy Gang around him

The man truly portryayed his marriage woes with that Child-Wife of his in a sarcastic pleasurable way, biding his time, reading the contract for Balraj, refusing his lunch and sharing his woes with his ally Bittuji. He was so sweetly pissed off that he wanted Bittuji to be married and burning in the same hell as him. That was just awesome to watch.

Then the man had to deal with his new found sponsor...the crazy Balraj. Who signs without seeing anything...for how does it matter to him what he signs. He knows only to play with his Tamancha (Pistol). That tamancha is the ultimate binding contract for him. RK doesn't yet know that...but we know it.  The guy was disappointed that RK was not starring in his self-produced film...but he is happy to see his heroine. 

That's another story for tomorrow when RK's crazily jealous and Hawa Mein Udne waali Heroine Trishna will meet Balraj. Will she recognize her father ? Will she be stubborn enough to forget Balraj and let her dreams of becoming a Heroine play on ? We have to watch this tomorrow.

I have begun to enjoy the flawed characters around Rishabh Kundra and it will be nice to see, how he wades through it all. And Rishabh Kundra is self-confessed RK, who does not know what goes on his mind.  So I guess he can wade through it...

Best scenes for me were

1. RK and Madhu practicing the script
2. RK and Bittuji playing friends...sharing and listening to woes
3. RK and Madhu fight at the table and that hug. I liked it very much.

Raj Zutshi or Balraj. 

He is just brilliant and him with that pony tail, which I couldn't see; was such a good sight.  

Watching him was plain hilarious. Just mute the video and watch him and others. You will start laughing uncontrollably. Did you see how he was trying to whistle and he could not ! :)) And what was his idea about bringing in sugar cane stick plucked liked that. I just tried and tried and I failed. I guess it is to make Bittuji and RK become bit too self-assured that this mad guy will let them have their last word. They just don't know that the guy is intelligent with a twisted mind too. 

Bittuji and RK ki waat lagne waali hai for calling that man a paagal. They are paagal enough to have associated with himself. :))))

I can really be lax on RK for not doing due diligence on Balraj's background, because 1) He is not bothering himself with the guy's background except the fact that he is insuring himself contractually with him. So he is making him obligatory for bearing all production expenses. 2) RK is in a hurry to get set go with Trishna case. And he knows Trishna is not that promising. 3)There are lot of fanatical elements approaching Film Industry. Everyone knows that there needs to be certain passion to be part of Film Industry. Lot of people like Balraj can think of entering movie industry. Do you look at the faces of real life industry people ? Don't the faces speak for themselves ?

Today's episode was really nice to watch even on mute. Did you all see Rads disgust at seeing RK shoving the plate away from Madhu ? She was like...what disgusting manners? And I burst out seeing her cringing face. I was like...Did you forget that this is your son ? :)))

And lastly it was fun to see, each time RK's flustered face looked like sandwiched and caught in unwanted worlds throughout the episode. Woe his two days in the episode today. 

Wasn't it one of the fastest episode for MEIEJ...two days so quickly passed. From yesterday noon to today noon kind ?:))) For me it was entertainment and paisa wasool episode. And about that hug...I liked how DD trembled in anger state and how that was actually emoted well between the two actors in the actual hug scene. I guess it came up pretty easily with VD and DD shaking themselves in that push-pull scene.

By Zoya

Paagal Ballu aur RK ki Bachchi Biwi!!

It was quite a good episode.

I personally like the fact that Madhu got enraged when RK put forth the Malik-Padmini marriage proposal. Any one in her place would have done the same. She has lived with them for the past 21-22 years. They might not be blood relations but yet their family r'ships are all very much beyond the conventional society norms. Malik-Padmini's might be a benaam rishta and prolly the society might discard them as living-in(or even illicit) but yet theirs is a very platonic r'ship built by mutual respect, trust, care, concern not only for their common string(kids)  but for each other's well-being too,etc. And had Madhu contemplated over RK's idea, I would have definitely scoffed at her that somewhere even she thinks that they need to get married to get a proper status and that she had demeaned her parents r'ship.

Now, coming to the condition she put forth in front of RK. I like it for a reason and it angered me for another reason.

The cause of anger was that how could she say ask  your mom for forgiveness.It was totally ridiculous!!! Had she told him forgive your mom and patch-up with her, it would have been better.

Why I liked it- It was to show to him that it is as difficult for me to accept it just the way it is as difficult for you to patch-up with your mom. Even at that time, he was trying to convince her and make her agree to him. So she wanted to say she was also hurt by the fact that he also thought bad about Pads-Malik r'ship, thus the condition. The fact that he brought up the issue and also the press-conf memory where he had defamed their r'ship had made her jump to the conclusion that somewhere he thinks bad about their r'ship too.

Madhu shall come around with this proposition and RK would make sure she sees sense that it is for her parent's own good and betterment. But for now, am happy with her first reaction.  21-22 years is too long and she has heartily accepted their r'ship the way it is and for her to be convinced shall take time...

I liked RK-Madhu hug so much today and RK-Bittuji scene where he talks of his marriage woes was too good:):)

One scary and a very ominous thing is Ballu. RK's adamance, stubborn nature, arrogance is all rendered powerless by ballu's antics. RK becomes so helpless in front of Ballu's madness to such an extent that even his rational thinking is bowing down to Ballu's paagalpan.

By Tanu

A nice episode… I am glad they showed difference of opinion between Madhu and RK on Padmini-RK's relationship.

Madhu, for that matter the entire Malik family is conditioned to think their family really doesn't have to be bond in relationships the society accepts. Understandable!  All their lives I am sure they have faced snide remarks and the family hasn't succumbed to it and have methodically avoided it. Madhu's words of 'pavitra' and 'naam ki zarurat nahi hai' was what I am sure the entire family feels. So she lashing out on RK was given. But RK did show amazing maturity not to hold that against her. I loved the scene he hugged her and yet again explained what he meant. 'Badi bachi banke sochna' was such a considerate way of telling her to think as a grown up daughter.

What put me off was Madhu holding him to ransom.  If she didn't want to discuss she could have refused him yet again… she didn't have to throw a deal at him. It was almost like it was a strategy to stop him from talking about Malik-Padmini…. Reminded me of the photo deal and I didn't like it. For the last time Madhu, If RK has to reconcile with his mom… he has nothing to apologise for!  Why does she think that it is all RK's fault? She has seen him reconcile with so many things and people… herself, her family and the almighty! Does she think it is fashionable for him to snub his mother? Did she hear him when he spoke about how 3 people closest to him broke his heart? Even after that why does Madhu feel he should apologise??? I will feel like an idiot if RK apologises to Radha for no fault of his. One reason why I want RK's involvement in Padmini-RK's wedding is to make people around him realise he isn't averse to remarriage and he doesn't hold it against his mom either… that is not the reason he is upset with his mom. I am sure if Bhatia was half as good a human that Malik is, RK would have been more than glad to accept his as a father. What I liked about RK today was that he was being very patient with madhu even after she put that condition infront of him. He was upset for sure because of which he didn't eat… but he wasn't mad at her… he will get home and try again.

Nice scene between Padmini-Malik and Madhu… Now that RK has put in the keeda into Madhu's mind may be she will start seeing things differently. She will probably realise that how her mom frets over Malik's medicines is similar to her being RK's chemical Biwi.

Another moment which seemed like a script of the erstwhile(?!?) Madhubala… Madhu's aversion to the film industry…

Ballu does have a twisted way of getting things done from RK and so easily at that. Not a very good sign…

    

SD musings

Originally posted by leelaa9

I was disappointed but not surprised by Madhu's condition.

She has previously also gone against RK, gotten what she wanted, and then ended up deeply regretting her victories.

We just have to get through her naive righteous pleasure at her 'victory', and RK doing what she wants in her misinformed zeal.

Then the other shoe drops, sooner or a bit later. And each time binds her even closer to RK.

So... disappointed, but used to this process now.

Exactly Leela. First I used to get upset. Now that I know that, baad mein Madhu ki waat lagne waali hai, I am enjoying it.

Brought up by a Shamsher and Padmini turned her into a self-righteous vain brat. Her parents always allowed her whatever she wishes. If Madhu was spoiled as self-righteous Glycerine girl, they spoiled Trishna as the self-possessed and self-important Heroine girl. Vain traits were encouraged.

Madhu now being married to an RK has to keep fighting to keep up her self-righteous vain trait. The only trait that helps her fighting RK is the stubborn streak that she got from Balraj, her biological father.

And Madhu when she comes face to face with Balraj as her father, she will value Shamsher and RK. The whole show is about her learning  from a naive, vain girl to becoming an informed person, but who will always be protected and again turned into princess by RK. She is actually being spoiled by RK. So even if she is gaining sense like in Ganesha track and Shamsher track, she gained knowledge only to become more closer to RK. So for sure there are going to be tracks, where she keeps getting closer to him in SURRENDER rather than in LOGICALLY APPROVING manner and hence the junoon and madness. He will keep felling her stubborn walls for him and she will gladly come out her self-constructed tomb of dumbness. That is why this is Ishq and Junoon.

Originally posted by MarathiMulgi

Like all your take on today's epi. 

I usually don't delve a whole lot while posting, just put in my immediate impressions.

Today after the post, RK lingers in my mind and hence my ramblings here. Your comments are welcome to understand this situation.

To me, looks like in the haste to make everything alright, RK has taken on more than he can handle.He has opened many fronts at the same time lekin lad nahin pa raha hai. It seems he has implicitly assumed Madhu's unwavering loyal support in this mission but she has her own agenda against him. I don't see how RK will be able to ride into sunset with Madhu if one of his ladai is against Madhu, her misguided convictions and beliefs.

In his confession to Madhu about making everything alright with her family, there is not a single dialogue where he says ki Madhu is ke liye tumhara saath hona bahut jaruri hai. Tumhri madad ke bina mein akela yeh nahi kar sakunga.

In his true RK ishtyle he is waging war on all injustices all by himself.

MM,

You understood it right. If you see my response to Leela, that is pretty much RK's story in reverse and which shall explain your concern in bold.

In essence, RK is not asking for Madhu's help, RK is asking Madhu to agree with him. He puts across a thought and he expects Madhu to agree with him and understand him. But Madhu being Madhu, she just accepts it as a verdict, which ticks off RK big time. Then he quarrels with her, throws plates and pans and pots and yells  and then finally with love explains her how she is wrong in just surrendering like that and instead shows the logic behind things. She seems to be seeing his viewpoint, and Rishabh Kundra is mesmerized in her and he forgets to see if she understood his logic again or just listened to his lecture totally mesmerized by him.

Essentially their love for each other makes them happy, but it is the same love that makes a spoilsport. One makes her a princess and other makes him a God. And yet one appears to be a subservient wife which is not making the husband happy and the other appears bossy husband which is not making the wife happy. And what is all the fight about? Don't be a subservient wife to me. Don't be a bossy husband to me ? Idiots! Aren't they speaking the same ? 

Apna ki jaata hai..we will just enjoy the show until it lasts. 

Originally posted by zoya_naziya

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

ok gals,

 They just don't know that the guy is intelligent with a twisted mind too. 

Bittuji and RK ki waat lagne waali hai for calling that man a paagal. They are paagal enough to have associated with himself. 

I can really be lax on RK for not doing due diligence on Balraj's background, because 1) He is not bothering himself with the guy's background except the fact that he is insuring himself contractually with him. So he is making him obligatory for bearing all production expenses. 2) RK is in a hurry to get set go with Trishna case. And he knows Trishna is not that promising. 3)There are lot of fanatical elements approaching Film Industry. Everyone knows that there needs to be certain passion to be part of Film Industry. Lot of people like Balraj can think of entering movie industry. Do you look at the faces of real life industry people ? Don't the faces speak for themselves ?

@bold: RK ne badi si musibat mol li hai. Bittuji told that " Is burai mein bhi kuch achchayi hai". But the fact is that it is still a burai and the goodness is just a fraction...

@red: How much ever he insures himself contractually or the fact that all the production expenses are going to be borne by Balraj, so are the losses or the gain, it doesn't change the fact that he is going to be associated with this man. RK is still going to be involved in most of the technical aspects albeit secretly.   Had RK  been thinking of handing the reins to him(and not be associated with the film), then i agree he can be lax but with him wanting to control him, which implies, working quite closely with him(though Trish might be unaware), then isn't it best that he does a bg check on this man, where, how,what of his finances, personal life ,etc.?He met  him in jail for godsake and he might never know what sort of a mess he can land himself into. He is a superstar. He has a rep, and a lot more other things to keep up and he would not like to involve himself in shady dealings. Wouldn't it be better if he is cautious? 

Throw the logic out of the window! Wasn't that the theme of the day ? You forget that Zoya. Tut Tut!!

Bittuji and RK are goners. That's a given.

I am lax at them being goners because they are already in that state of mind ..."Vinasha kaale Vipreeta Buddhi". I guess you understand this. Right. Instead of being cautionary, they are thinking this intelligent and venturing ahead. That's why my three observations ...not bothering, hurry and doing business with fanatics.

Bade Bade kaarnamo ke peeche aisi choti choti galtiyaan maaf ki jaati hain. That is what RK with that sorry face is asking of me. Bass you wait when his mind will go ballistic.

Originally posted by Gurtiluv

True, both zoya and shri. even i was wondering how can they allow a man like RK who was shown to be so calculative and cunning in the begging to make such a foolish mistake like this. 

a. the man is not from the industry. doesnt RK have a standard for himself he is a superstar and most superstars only work with the best unless they have a very good script in hand. Okay so this movie is for Trishna launch but then how do they suspect to make her a hit by launching her with a producer that has no experience.

b. they have no background check on this man. last time RK saw him he was in jail. so they are hiring a psycho/criminal to work for them. do they not understand the consequences of that? and RK expects everything to be hunky dory after he leaves meaning no problems can occur while he is gone. 

@Shri, zoya, gurtiluv: sab pyar ke side-effects hai... dimag pe kuch to asar padega hi... 

No. People like RK also can keep their logic aside sometimes.

Even in real life, intelligent people can also make mistakes like RK is doing. We Gaddams are biggest examples. We look so intelligent and actually are intelligent. But circumstances in life force you to overlook logical things in search of happiness and go for anything that seems easy. If we are destined to be lucky, even silliest of plans become successful. If we are destined to have failures, even solid fool-proof plans will also fail. And we have failed especially in trusting people for arranged marriages. We failed big time, losing money in those stupid ventures...let alone the mental disturbance.

Like buying shares, some make money, some lose money.

Even film-stars, one becomes superstar, others fade away.

Business has always luck involved it. That's why prayers to Goddess Lakshmi or Ganesh Pooja for any new venture. But inspite of all poojas, its the luck which rules the roost.

Business plans in Wall Street firms...you should see how wacky their business plans are. Sometimes we feel as if a school kid would have better sense to do business.

Sab chalta hai bhai.  That's why Hits and Misses.