Saturday, April 13, 2013

Episode 238 Discussion: 5th April 2013


Holi Hai !! - Part 3 - Bhujang's Khoon ki Holi is a Big Flop and CVs declare that they have gone Mad.

Events of the Episode
  1. Sultan and Bhujang are shown to be indulging in silly talk of who's smarter and braver between the two. They are not pulling trigger on each other. Bhujang is told by Sultan that he killed his 4 men. Bhujang sees them and Sultan attacks him from behind throwing away B's pistol in water. In the resulting strangling, Bhujang throws color in Sultan's eyes blinding him and throws away the pistol away. Bhujang goes to get the pistol to shoot blind Sultan. Madhu comes, picks up the pistol, points at Bhujang and threatens him to go away from there else she will gun him down. Sultan asks her not to leave Bhujang and gun him down. Bhujang runs away. Sultan is mad at Madhu for letting Bhujang get away and having not shot him when she had the chance or she could also have handed the gun to him. Madhu is shivering in fear and blurts that she cannot kill anyone. Sultan realizes what a mistake he is making thinking Madhu can shoot anyone.
  2. Padmini and chawl-people come out. After assuring themselves that Madhu is fine, they ask questions, what's going on and who is Sultan and what is he doing in Roma's Apt. Madhu tells them all that she gave shelter to them as Sultan had no place to go when he was hurt. The chawl people are really upset that a gangster has been given shelter exposing them to life-endangering consequences. Madhu through using CV's convoluted justification, snubs the chawl people that she is returning their help extended to her pregnant mother and also saving her sister. She says likewise she saw an injured man and brought him home and if she is considered a stupid person for helping anyone without being discrete or be discriminatory, she is okay to be called a stupid person.
  3. Further inside the apartment, Padmini again through using CV's convoluted justificationtells Madhu bonding with Aryan is beyond the purview of being right and wrong.  That Madhu has all along acted as she has acted as Madhu learned all that being in Padmini's womb. She praises for saving Sultan by coloring him in that manner. Madhu wants to massage Padmini's feet and since the oil is finished, Madhu goes out to get the oil.
  4. RK back at his home, with whiskey glass in his hand, thinking how Madhu colored Sultan instead of him. He starts remembering all Madhu-Sultan scenes to cover screentime. Thankfully to avoid us further boredom, his mother Radhaji walks in and asks the question, why he wanted to color Madhu first. RK yells aloud he doesn't  know. He starts baring his heart to his mother, how Madhu has moved while he was still stuck on. He tells her how no one sees that including her mother. Radhaji tells him that Padmini knows all about it and she trusts Madhu. RK is upset that his mother went behind him to talk for him with Madhu's mother. Radhaji says she was concerned for him, could not see his pain and so went and asked. Then RK asks, if she was so concerned for him why did she slap him and ready to leave him and go away. As Radhaji tries to explain why she did that, Bittuji comes and informs them there has been a shootout in the Chawl.  Episode ends.

Episode Reviews and Respites

MM's Fun Corner - Page 2
Bhujang: Chhori tum yeh kya kar rahi ho? ek water gun nahin use kar sakti thik se? 

Madhu: Bhujang before I squirt it on you, tum yahan se dapha ho jao

Sultan: Not fair Madhu. You put color on my face when I was not ready but Bhujang gets plenty of warning. Go on, squirt it on him.

Madhu: Bhujang, you have crashed the party uninvited. Now I really don't want to color you so get going NOW otherwise I will start talking about how we should play nicely with each other and how grabbing other people's toys is really bad.

Bhujang: Chalo is samay nahin per agale samay jarur khelenge hum tum rangon ki holi. Adios Sultan. <Runs away>

Chalwasis now come out all angry and start buzzing around Madhu.

Chalwasi: Madhu kya such much woh aadmi gangster tha? Hummein bhi dekhna tha real live gangster kaisa hota hai. Hum ko kyun apne apne ghar jabardasti bhej diya?  Yeh chawl kya akeli tumhara adda hai kya? Aaj tak hum tumhe apna samazate the. Lekin aaj tumne kaise decide kiya ki humein tum khel mein shamil nahi karogi.

Padmini: Madhu, meine tumhe kya parvarish di hai bachpan se? Sab mil bat karna chahiye hai na? Itni jaldi kaise bhul gayi?

Madhu: Woh kya hai na ma, woh bin bulaye aya aur usne Sultan ki water gun chhin li toh muze bada gussa aya. Lekin tum chinta mat karo. Woh muze bol ke gaya hai ki woh pakka wapas ayega phir holi khelne ko

Padmini: <Visibly relaxed now. Faces the chawlwasis> Dekha? Ab kaisi narazagi? Next time ayega woh toh Madhu jarur aap sabse uski mulakat  kar degi. <Looks on proudly at her daughter>

Meanwhile RK at RK mansion complaining to Radha

Radha; Kya hua Rishu, kyun itna muh fulaye baitha hai. Kaisi rahi Madhu ke sang holi?

RK: Maa, mein Madhu ke saath Holi khelne gaya. Use maine rang bhi lagaya aur bola ab tumhari bari hai muze rang lagane ki. Lekin, lekin..

Radha: Aare lekin kya? 

RK: <Whining> She did not include me in the play. She went and colored that Sultan who didn't even want to play in the first place.  She was being mean to me when I was being so nice to her. It was so unfair. You should have seen it. Her mother did not even scold her and all.  Nobody ever says anything bad about her. You are always seeing faults only in ME. <scowls and sulks>

And that folks was the end to the memorable holi played at the chawl by our very own RK, Madhu and Sultan.


Pictorial Commentary

Originally posted by bcbs_srk

@Hi2life - Don't know how many of us have already banged our heads on wall? LOL

God bless us !



RK can use this Kit.

Zorica's Poster Section

Originally posted by zorica


Other Reviews 

Originally posted by Nishi.Singh

i dunno how ppl in chawl listen to Madhu's bashan including Padmini
Padmini was a helpless and pregnant woman whom chawl ppl helped, Sultan is a gangster  who kills ppl in flith of a second - is there a diff or not???
 
i wont consider this act as mahaan act of Madhu but rather a selfish act...even after watching so much violence she is still defending Sultan in chawl, after a shootout where anyone cud have died Ermm
 
now after all this nonsense i wud say there is nothing wrong if Madhu is back to RK...she will get more pagal if she stays in chawl for any longer Silly...its hard to decide who is more wrong - RK or Madhu? Confused

Tell me about it.

Seriously...the CVs and RS should think twice before making the character utter words like that. CVs ho gaye Paagal. Ek Dum Behaya aur kuch bhi character se bulwa dete hain.  Kuch to aankh, kaan aur naak ki sharam rakhe ? !! Audience kitna bardaasht karegi nautanki ke naam pe.  Theekh hai...I would have enjoyed the shootout just for the kicks of it...but Lectures at the Propriety of it near residential area. Even Police are not spared in these kind of Ops.
  • Protecting Aryan = Thumbs Up
  • Giving Shelter to Sultan for few days until he heals = Tolerably and understandingly acceptable. 
  • Justifying Supporting actions after shootout on the grounds that "I am not a beast just to help my own people" = Plain unacceptable.  What do CVs mean? We all PUBLIC are animals? That we don't have sense. That we should also become Paagal ?!!!

Even the Police officers behind "Shootout in Lokhandwala" were not spared and taken to justice and asked to explain their conduct in Public Interest.

Atleast the Police officers gave a warning to all residents to be indoors. 
Here Sultan warned all residents to be indoors. 

The Police Officers did not expect residents to come and support them in nabbing the gangsters.
Here Madhu volunteers to support him without any need. Fine MAdhu's choice.
Sultan asking her to shoot Shocked !!!! Has he gone mad ?!!! He started thinking the girl belongs to mobworld !!! ???? Confused

Checkout the video of real shootout at Lokhandwala. Hear the reporter talking about residents plight.






By anastasia21

I guess I need to brush up my definition of 'shootout'. As far as I can remember, only one shot was fired, that too by Sultan, in air. Bhujang's men and Bhujang himself didn't get a chance to fire. Alas! Anyways, maybe there's no need to go by the literal meaning of 'shootout'. Shootout = Murder. And 4 bodies were dropped out of which I'm sure at least 2are dead.

After the scene from yesterday's precap was shown, Madhu holds Bhujang at gunpoint with a shaking hand. Like I said, no one is ever gonna die from standing at a gunpoint. And then I couldn't believe my ear! Was Sultan actually telling her to kill Bhujang! Not only he is comfortable with murdering people, he assumes that people accompanying him will be too. Well that just his survival instincts. But nonetheless, Madhu needs to wake up from this. Why Sultan is doing what he is doing, now or all along his life, is his business. Not Madhu's. Helping a person in need is indeed a virtue every parent or elder should instill in a child. But accepting help or depending on that beyond a certain point of time and expecting that it'll keep on coming is also something we shouldn't get used to. Sultan needs to realise that the safety of his child is his responsibility and his only and not a burden of this young girl who has to go about her own life. The stunt Madhu pulled today, was very noble and heroic but probably will get her and her family and maybe RK in deep deep trouble, because Bhujang wasn't finished off today. He was saved for a reason. 

I won't get into RK jaap today, because his reaction to everything was quite predictable, even when he finds out that his mother has been talking to his MIL.

Madhu's speech to the chawl people today - I couldn't decide if this really her or if this is the broken girl finally unwinding. Were the chawl people selfish or mean to talk like that? Absolutely no. You can't blame them because probably they are also standing up for their own family. They too have innocent kids to protect. Bringing Sultan home and subsequently Bhujang along the steps, was plain naivety on Madhu's part, and pure selfishness on Sultan's. Madhu's earnest pleading to the chawl people was honest and pure and correct if you go by her thought processing. But does that make the situation alright? It doesn't. Madhu is walking the path of valor and high moral but now the simple line between basic right and wrong is blurring for her. And someone with a practical thinking, who cares for her earthly happiness, needs to hold her back and make her see things from an alternative point of view. Like Padmini. Don't scold her or condone her actions. There is a middle way to show her that Arayn is to be protected 100% but there must be a better way out there to do that which does not involve Madhu taking up the role of his mother full time. And please, I refuse to believe that after these many years in his gangster business, Madhu is Sultan's last ray of hope.

Originally posted by zoya_naziya
Wasn't using the word 'Dhoka" a bit too much by the chawl people?
The chawl-waasis  should have used "bewakoofi/pagalpanti" or something along the lines of jeopardizing our lives and then made Madhu answer them.. But no, they put everything just like that in  Madhu's sermon to answer all the viewers... I feel the writing could have been better there... Just my opinion...

Agree. I just posted on the same. The CVs and Dialogue-writer...they need to pay attention to all aspects of drama and not just scenes related to Rishbala. I am sure there are lot of viewers who like action drama. And even action drama sells when you have right kind of dialogues and right emotions.  Especially in action dramas, killing/fighting is supported if the cause is justified.  The justification should have been built up if the CVs have been planning since November to introduce Sultan as Gangster into the story. Why hotch-potch writing and nincompoop action sequences. Why struggle so much. They can go to youtube and look for lot of videos and get an idea, how it looks and accordingly create drama.

Originally posted by zoya_naziya

Not quoting the entire thing, but I guess it was just a desperate attempt by RS to answer/shout back at the viewers who have been bombarding his FB inbox with messages.. They had to salvage their female lead when they are making her deliberately do the bewakoofi/pagalpanti to take the story forward...So they are just trying to shut the viewers mouth... It is upto us to either turn a deaf-ear and let be that they tried to convince some or be a part of the 'I got convinced side' like the chawl-waasis

Thanks Zoya.

Like I care !!! I was not the one flooding him messages. 

I need light hearted something. Tell me what did your aunt and mom think. Later I will check what Preet's parents and sibs said. Then I will get a balanced view. 

By pnars
Episode 238 : " Logic takes a day off & The Madhu Manifesto"

Questions -

1) What about the dead bodies?
2) Did no one call the police?
3) Who disposed of the gun in the gulal tub?
4) Really, what about those dead bodies?

Random musings -

1) Madhu established her Manifesto today - yes, she really is like this. No, she'll never change.  She'll slap, bicker, slap court cases, perform forest rescues, plot with old ladies, and what not in the cause of rescuing helpless little boys (Muku/Rishu/Aryu) but no, the one boundary is she won't kill. We get it, gal! We'll not question your actions or motives again. 

2) Padmini applauded her daughter and elaborated that some of the crazy genes come from her too, it's not all Balraj. And she gave her blessings for Aryabala, i.e., possible Sulbala!

3) RK pleej come take her away from the bad guy. You'll be doing her, her mummy and the chawlwaasis a big favour!

Shot in the dark predictions -

1) RK will tell Madhu to get back into the mansion or else -  chalees lakh, vagera vagera.
2) Madhu will say fine, but I bring Aryan and Kaka with me. Temporary arrangement till Sultan kills all his rivals and cleans up Mumbai for his monopoly. Figures MadMansion is the safest place for Aryu right now.
3) RK brings biwi and her baggage home.
4) Deepali gets stomach ache laughing at the new menagerie at home.

But this question will keep me awake tonight -

What about those dead bodies??

Responded by SD
Choomantar !!!

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

Because Padmini has called Madhu's bond with Aryan as higher than right or wrong, so can I call Madhu as Aryan's Momma ?  

I think I should tweet this to ST.
Responded by himbin
That was one stupidest dialogue today...such a heavy statement that Madhu's bond with Aaryan (which started very recently) is higher than right and wrong itself, only to justify Madhu sheltering a gangster...seems cv's are planning to use Aaryan for many more of Madhu's foolish actions...Sleepy

Originally posted by pnars

Today's episode makes me wonder- how did Aryan, who seems to have grown up around goons, gangsters and killers, manage to become this sweat little boy who gets scared if RK says boo? 


by eating chocolates of Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory.
Originally posted by bcbs_srk

 Creatives are clearly telling the viewers that Madhu's character is flawed and will not change in future.
Now I can give rest to my brain while watching the show. 


I think the CVs gave a "blah" attitude to rational viewers today, because they know they are not going to be measured through TRPs. So they took their frustration on us in this teasing manner, because neither our comments or leaving the show will affect them...coz there is no TRP to know for this episode.

So it is literally a tease. Audience ko THAPPAD, TAMACHA Maara and SCENE SE FARAAR Ho gaye.

Koi baat nahin bacchoo, main bhi kuch kam nahin. Dekhna ...aaj saare ke saare post feedback ke roop mein waapis doongi.

By Leela
Guys, one huge difference that Padmini didn't point out and Madhu may not know about -

Shamsher had very convincingly enacted throwing out Padmini and her daughters.
Padmini was clearly desolate walking down the streets.
And then Shamsher faked the fatal accident, and got all three - Padmini and her daughters - to safety.
He then sent someone to go to Motihari to ascertain that Balraj truly believed all three were dead, and would not come back to endanger them.
So, basically, he saved the strangers but without letting his fellow chawl-residents get endangered.

Here, Madhu did nothing of the sort.
She may not have been told of the difference of the previous instance.
But for Padmini to say that Madhu's recklessness was in the mould of Shamsher's judicious conduct then seems to be another case of Padmini's selective amnesia.Ouch

Originally posted by bcbs_srk

Shri,
You're on roll today!

I agree today's episode was a tease.

But all the posts for CVs and none on the characters right ? !! LOL

The starting 13 minutes and precap was ugly to watch, but RK and Radha scene was beautiful to watch.

I know for sure Zoya's mother would have just revelled in the scene.

Personally for me, RK has started being the boy to his mother (peremptory demands) and Rji for being expressive about her affection and saying, I can slap you and at the same time be sly and undertaking my missions for your benefit. 

RK is clearly getting support from his mother and that too in a good manner. She is being the secure bond to him, which allows him not to wallow in insecurities and drink. He cannot drink...that we already saw. Now because of all March month talks, RK is now able to talk to his mother and even complain to her. So he is under right guidance, supervision and counselling.

The CVs are removing all hurdles for RK getting back a different Madhu into mansion where this time Rji might be in RK's team and not in MB's team like their previous phase. This time MB would be the rebellious one and Rji might give ideas to RK on how to manaofy and pataofy his wife.

And Madhu on the sly will have secret missions of meeting up with Sultan and so they will keep making her work at studio. This will also give the possibility of allowing Bhujang to target MB and RK. In all of this...chances are high that RK will have to like Aryan before he makes any headway with Madhu.

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