Episode 148 Discussion: 18th Dec 2012

Let's fix our families before fixing ourselves in a saat-phera marriage

Episode 148  Discussion: 18th Dec 2012

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Episode Events

RK comes home with that Trishna curse in mind. He catches hold of Madhu as she falls down who is trying to remove the photo from the wall. The Photo is of hers and RK's taken at Jagrata, gifted by Radhaji and fixed by the man-servant. RK lets the photo be and clears all misunderstanding between himself and Madhu. He cites his understanding of Madhu's reasons as to be her wish to fix Trishna's career, fix her mother and her Malik's (Shamsher) life. He then asks, will she come with him once her fixing is done. She says yes. Then RK proposes a saat phera marriage to Madhu to rectify his mistake. Plus he also says the marriage will be taken up until after they have fixed their families. Then Madhu proposes that not just her family needs to be fixed, even RK needs to fix his relationship with his mother. RK is angry, but he feels there is some credit to it. He spends the night in his painting room. He is in the middle of the painting when he spills the color platter. He remembers his mother instructing him to be careful with colors, brush and paint with the emotion whatever comes from his heart. He now tries to do the same. After a while, he sleeps. When he wakes up he sees that he painted a total black painting with no emotion. He calls for his servants for washing his hands. There comes Radhaji with water. Upset he calls for Madhu and goes to Hall. Radhaji tells that Madhu had gone to temple and she gets him tea as all servants are on leave. RK doesn't talk but takes to the kitchen and keeps it aside and starts making tea by himself. He ponders and in the end, he decides to let it go and has the tea,

Highlight of the episode

RK and Madhu understand each other. RK understands Madhu's dilemma and tells her that Madhu cannot forgive Shamsher Malik for what he did and yet she cannot deny that they have a relationship. There is pain, but she needs to just let it go as that would help things. Likewise Madhu reminded RK that he cannot forgive his mother, but there is a relationship that he cannot deny and he should let go the pain as it would only help him move on.

Beauty of the episode

When Rishabh Kundra looks at his black painting and doesn't like what has come out from his heart thinking about his mother. At that kind of expression from inside, makes him realize that he needs to let it go, call it truce so that his heart can picture/hold beauty. Loved how his conflict went on between his making his own cup of tea and the cup of tea that his mother made for him.

Episode Reviews

Page 1 - Leela, Applenpeaches

Page 2 - Charu, MarathiMulgi, SD, Soundarya

Page 3 - himbin

Page 5 - tanu07, SD, Pippa

Page 6-  ritzy09, applenpeaches

Page 7- dramacrazy12, DovesView, kodai

Page 8- RKLover

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Page 10 - zoya_naziya

Page 12 - SD, Gurtiluv

Comments

Page 2 - Gurtiluv (RK Insecurities), Zorica (RK-Rads relationship)

Page 3 - Gurtiluv (RK Insecurities)

Page 4 - Zorica (RK-Rads relationship)

Page 5 - SD (DVD plastic hug for supposed to be Rishbala's warm hug)

Page 6 - Pooja1

Page 8 - Zorica&SD (Rishbala's hug), Red_Opium (The Photo that Rads gifted)

Page 11 - dramacrazy12 (Test of Love -Condition)

Episode Review

Reconciliation and Fixing before Leaving track

There was nothing much there in the episode that needs to be analyzed today. We just had to see the developments in terms of story. So now we know...Rishabh wants to leave everthing behind and take Madhu away, far from all this. Madhu is also ready to go. Before they can do this, he promised that he will help her fix her family. Likewise, she also wants to his family.

If we, both did not talk about love for their families. But to move on with their life, to step onwards to their love filled journey together, they don't want curses or unhappiness to dog them or nag them.

Its like they want to do Bidai, but in all proper manner so that they can move on. So this track is about let's fix our broken relationships, before we try to settle down. There is so much that we both need to correct before we can think about our happiness...untainted as it should be. We want to be blessed by them and not cursed.

Other than this...there was nothing much in the episode. I already spoke about how Madhu fixed the mother -son relationship today. She requested Rishabh and then stubbornly made him see reason. Good enough for me. Because mother-son issues never should have taken years to resolve and it would not have taken that much time had it not been for RADUNCE.

Radhaji & Madhu-Radhaji-RK equation

I really have to say something here and am so excited about it. Remember we all discussed, actually Bhoomi was more vocal about it. Later on Leela joined us.

We were saying then that no a way a child would not have been able to open himself if Radhaji had more of confidence in herself and trusted her son too. It is so easy for mothers to scold, reprimand their children and sometimes go against their child's wishes for their own betterment. Children hate their mother for being so harsh with them. And later on the mother would know winning ways to cajole and humor her child.

We all lamented that how Rads could not win back her child. Could not say, "Rishabh/Rishu your anger is totally unwarranted...now get your ass back here and start eating what I am feeding you."   She never had the gut to do it. Because may be she never had that much of love in her word. What a meek woman she is...so "chalaktha hua Ghada" which just makes a noise.

In comparison, today...when Madhu said from behind, Maa, woh Chai zaroor piyenge, all my matronly feelings came out. Infact this feeling so touched me in the entire episode that I paused the video and came here to write.

I mean, when will Rads know that one needs to believe in goodness, then only good will happen. She being a mother, how could she have a heart, where she cannot hope one good for her son and it is always about her insecurities flashed out. And the more she doesn't believe, the more insecurity, fear and distrust had been passed on to her child. A child's heart is ready to imbibe anything. So all Rishu got from Rads was insecurity in inheritance and his channelising all that into anger.

Anyways, when Madhu said, he will drink, I could see the mother in her and I could see Rishabh the child there struggling in his mind to beat his emotion and rationalizing, why can't he drink the tea. After all its just tea.  

I remember my childhood...God!!! My mother was a tyrant. I used to fear her, not like her...she was just that whom I should be wary of ...but in my 15th year, when I was doing my revisions for board exams and she used to go out of home to her friend's place, I yelled at her crying, that she leaves me alone. Till date I remember her face...it was a clueless face...with amazed expression as to where did it come from. She started laughing aloud. And then I felt embarrassed. Probably that was the first emotional display between both of us. Now that the cat was out of the bag, I did not stop crying and she did not hesitate to leave behind her tyrant image and caressed me and said that she was actually doing me a favour by going out, else her friends will come home and I would be disturbed..and saying that she left. 

I mean mothers always know how to go around their children. If Padmini or Madhu would have been Rishabh's mother, he would never have turned this weak.

RK's reconcilation with his mother (Radhaji) through the painting.

About RK/Rishabh having that tea, when he seemed so much capable to make a cup of tea for himself...the way I read is...when there is so much happiness out there reaching out to to you and you want to bask in it...then it makes sense to do away with pain and displeasure quickly...like all gile shikwe mitaana ...and just move on. Rishabh while drinking that tea was actually listening to Madhu's word to move on ...with relationship (love /no love that's a separate matter...at least the pain will not be there to hurt you)...and he was ready to let go his mother-issue-pain because he was ushering in happiness from his bonding with Madhu. That's HOPE there ...He nurtured hope for himself today by LETTING IT GO.  

Healing is a long process...I mean time taken to arrive at right diagnosis is long, sometimes it takes forever to find the right medicine, but then always there is that one single magical moment which takes us bu surprise and we are ready to get healed. For Rishabh, that day was today. He just chose to end it...because the painting that he painted in black was JUST NOT HIM.

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

Highlight of the episode

RK and Madhu understand each other. RK understands Madhu's dilemma and tells her that Madhu cannot forgive Shamsher Malik for what he did and yet she cannot deny that they have a relationship. There is pain, but she needs to just let it go as that would help things. Likewise Madhu reminded RK that he cannot forgive his mother, but there is a relationship that he cannot deny and he should let go the pain as it would only help him move on.

Beauty of the episode

When Rishabh Kundra looks at his black painting and doesn't like what has come out from his heart thinking about his mother. At that kind of expression from inside, makes him realize that he needs to let it go, call it truce so that his heart can picture/hold beauty. Loved how his conflict went on between his making his own cup of tea and the cup of tea that his mother made for him.

Responded by Namzz

Agreed Shri, those are the two things that stood out for me. I have whined about Radhaji being weak, guillable and so forth, but there is one thing we can't deny. She loves her son very much. As a mom I can totally relate to that. Its sad that things had to be so bad between her and Rishu but then there wouldn't be a show for us to watch.

I sincerely hope that she smartens up about all the Bhatia's. The sooner she figures out what a bunch of blood sucking leaches they are the better.

There is nothing worse for a Mom when she knows she has let her child down and they dispise her.

Responded by Latekate

In the BG he keeps hearing his mother's instructions, on what to paint and the best part was the next day when they show the canvas, it was as chaotic as his own feelings (I was actually waiting to see what had he painted? Is it his mother or Madhu?)  He needs a closure to a lot of things. When the new heroine says she is lucky to have her debut with RK, he says/feels he is unlucky. All this would stop, once he has a closure with all the relationships which went sore.

It would actually be interesting to have a closure with Dipali track. A reluctant ex who is not ready for a closure and RK finding a way for a closure from with in

By himbin

Shri,

@ Bold...Until I read this,it didn't occur to me...yes,his pyaar bhi hain aur dard bhi hain holds true for both Madhu-Shamsher and RK-his mother.Seems both of them are going to make peace 

with their respective parents at the same time during this track...

@ other..Liked what you said and agree...The FB he remembers during the painting session is of his mother being patient and lovingly teaching him of holding the brush and paint...This,I guess is a revelation to his conscious mind of the fact he knows all along that no matter what his mother does love him...FB triggered by Madhu (to listen to his heart) kind of forced him to accept it...In the morning when he sees the painting it again was a revelation of his inner self...The chaos,the extent of the bitterness and anger he is been indulging in towards his mother...Now that the contrast(of his mothers love and his bitterness) has come to his conscious mind,he is going to confront it , deal and make peace with it...he can no longer deny his own hidden affections for her...

By SD

Thank you Hima.

What I liked about yesterday was ...just like RK doesn't want Madhu to become his doctor (because of his past experiences) but he cannot deny what she said, that he needs to heal. I was saying on Dec 6th discussion, with you and ATN, that either Madhu needs to confront Radhaji about whys? or she needs to talk to Rishabh Kundra about his mother. She appealed to RK on Dec 6th when she scolded him for being rude to his mother and he apologized. And today she again appealed to Rishabh and Rishabh the hurt person also decided it time to retire. His deciding has effectively removed his dependence on doctors in his life and the fear of deception. Healing in real sense starts when person who is hurt sees what damage is happening to him by remaining bitter.  

For me showing it through the painting scene and later in kitchen...him trying to just do it away with everything...that gulping down tea rather than sipping tea, made so much sense. Because when you let it go, you forgive people, you get more pleasure and relief from it...this is infact more than what Madhu's closeness can give him.  But that Madhu thought about helping him in this manner, is gonna make him appreciate her worth. Such a contrast betweem Dipali and Madhu. One said, you can never be happy and so don't expect love, don't look for it...but Madhu...she says, its not about love, its about a relationship that you cannot deny and you still love that person...Dipali made him look like a beggar to himself...whereas Madhu made him the rich man who can give away.

Preet messaged me yesterday and said...so Shri you got the painter there and it must have appealed to you. I said yes. In this regard we both think alike...we just cannot hold grudges close to heart...Naasoor ban jaate hain. 

I am happy it made sense to Namzz and many others too.

Radhaji

Originally posted by zoya_naziya
According to Radha, RK had shut his heart to everyone in this world. So she felt that there was no point in trying to get closer to him and thus stayed away from him. But from the time, Madhu has started to make a place in his heart, she realized that he is starting to open up his heart which raised her hopes.. She saw that RK had made peace with his father and Bappa after the Ganpati track bcoz of Madhu..

 and she knows that he is letting only Madhu in and no one else. So Madhu is the ladder to reach out to him... 

Today, she was a lil hesitant to lie to RK that Madhu has gone to the mandir too..

@paint: Radhaji was shocked to see the messed-up canvas and understands the damage she has caused to him. That is why she was so down and was sure that he would never drink the cup of tea made from her hands.. But she went ahead with this childish prank coz Madhu would have convinced her of the same and when it comes to RK, Madhu knows better...

P.S: DO not mistake me to be proponent of Radhaji 

By Tanu

Thank u for the reply. And no, i will not mistake u to be advocate of Radha.

The problem I have with Radha is that she didnt try enough. I would buy the arguement that RK shut himself form the world and he needed to be given space if he was a grown up man. If she though a 13 yr old child needs space, especially when he has lost his father and has to adjust to him mom married to someone else and allowed him shut himself off... She failed as a mother! Period! Even if i have to say it is fine leave him alone... i cant imagine leaving a kid alone for more than 24 hours... and here it is 15 years! And frankly if it was anyother bond in the world I may still discount it... but  I cant beleive a mother cannot reachout to her child, her only child and especially when she was the ONLY one he had in this world to call his own! For a child to spend sleepless nights not for a day or two but for 15 years with a mother under same roof is a Mother's failure. I am not questioning her love for her son, I am questioning her conviction to make her son's life atleast peacefull,  if not happy. I get angry when I see her shed tears at her son's ruthless behaviour. Has she spared a thought on why despite all the anger and hatred RK still stays with her, puts up with the Bhatias so much so hides their misdeeds only for her? Forget RK, lets write him off as an impossible kid, what about Sikki? Sikki must be a year or 2 older than RK... has she been a good mother to him? I dont see a bond there at all... whatever it is it is demonstrated by her relationship with Dipali. 

I agree that Madhu is the only one he allows into his world, but has Madhu had it easy? Madhu probably had the toughest chance to make a meaningful relationship with RK... but she managed. It was her grit and conviction that held ground infront of a ruthless RK. And Radha had her own child infront of her to care and nourish and she failed. I agree it is but natural for Radha to seek Madhu's help. What will disappoint me a great deal will be if Madhu sees this situation only from Radha's prespective(which is the case untill now). Why should Rishab relent? He has reasons to be angry too... I want those to addressed. I want Madhu to remind Radha that though RK has kept away from her... she has been the only one RK has cared for until now and knowing how slow Radha is, may be even illustrate how RK has taken care of his mother despite himself.

Radha's character disappoints me for the lack of depth and more importantly the self pity she indulges in.

Originally posted by zorica

I think that the RK's hug looks like thath, because of he is shy of greater intimacy, since he wants to have "physical contact" with Madhu. 

You know what I mean. 

And to give credit...

1. This was his first hug where he wanted to respond
2. That too after a big misunderstanding and a bad day at the studio, with him almost running naked in front of everyone
3. He was trying again to step back into a reasonable person in love and not insane person in love.
4. He could be longing, but that curse from Trishna already scared him enough to make him think of restarting everything with a clean system reboot. 

First hugs in extreme emotional and vulnerable state are not about passion, but are about sensitivity. Certain awkwardness always exists in first hugs.

Good thing was both were getting comfortable and ready to snuggle further 

Leaving behind and an Artist's retreat

Originally posted by DovesView

SD: I completely understand where you are coming from. I understand he is an artist. He needs retreat. My concern was not about what he would do for money. It is not even with the professions they are holding or whether they are employed or not. I was thinking loud because it is not about RK alone but involves Madhu too. Housewife or not, she has had her own life until now. Just because one gets married and one loves the spouse so much, it is not necessary that the spouse be expected to abandon everything and go. I understand why RK demands that or behaves like that. We have discussed about him in layers at length. It is good to live moments and not think about future but when two individuals are involved there has to be harmony in such desire. When one of the two has promises to keep or when one has not severed ties with the family and of its duties, the future weighs more than the moment. I would say Radha didn't think of the future much and was taking a momentary decision when she remarried because back then I presume she was worried about Rishab and did not have the confidence to bring him all alone (per what she said in one of the epis). Thus, the state of their relationship. I am not trying to argue but somehow I cannot see RK becoming so weak. I don't know if I made my thoughts clear. Tried to put them across. No hard feelings please.

In marriage, one partner has to for a compromise. If they cannot, their marriage is broken. Period. That's why lives of artists have more of broken marriages. It is a reality ...everyone knows that.

An artist...half of the time...even when living in same place...the mind is not shared...it goes into its own trips. Its love that keeps the marriage alive. There could also be meeting of two minds at intellectual level that also keeps two partners together. The thing that they showed today ...no one can separate us ...when Rishabh says so...there is a catch in it...coz he is an artist. He could be his own enemy.

We need to add a lot of sensitivity into this story if we need to understand this kind of story.

Its like Ramakrishna Paramahansa...respecting his wife all the time...but never actually having a proper conjugal life. He saw Goddess in her...but did the wife think of this kind of life ?