Rishabh Kundra and his Planned Revenge

5th Feb 2013

By Myself 

*************Just my musings along with what I talked with friends**************************

I made sense through lot of talking (6 hours of talking)...that yesterday I was upset at thinking RK faking his love for Madhu and taking her for a ride...which I equated to Sourabh Tewari taking me for a ride because I know for sure that RK loves Madhu and that cannot be unreal...that today I felt influenced by the word revenge by TB article. Sourabh Tewari or the Promo did not say or suggest revenge.

Yes...my talking with friends was about ...how does revenge fit in? What is the motive ? We were abhorring the word, cringing at the emotion it invoked in us.

Then we discussed, why RK would break Madhu's heart forgetting everything about marriage. I zeroed in on the point that I once said in ED thread...that

• Rishabh Kundra cannot be a spiritually enlightened person until he learns to let it go. His hurt, ego, his control...He will live in personal purgatory until he decides to have heaven for him. Question is why he is such a control freak ? Why he cannot be ordered ?
• Madhu cannot be fully compassionate person until she learns to understand the 360 degrees perspective of love. Her life has been too rosy with loved parents and everyone loving her for her nature. She needed to lose love to become emotionally sensitive person to hurt, to loss, to understand what hurt and loss means. 

Madhu

Forceful hurt that RK gave by marrying her, she had courage from her mother and the sacrifice she made for her father. She never felt any loss and she fought Rishabh Kundra. It hurts most when you lose what you love and that too if the reason behind the loss is one you love the most. And Madhu...personally my complaint with her was, she is insensitive to emotions which though it makes a formidable person of her, it is not too good and doesn't make her an Understanding compassionate person rather than just being self-righteous person.

RK

All the things that Madhu forced over him...even if he liked her silently without confessing or was just obsessed and peaceful about her existence and presence besides him...are:

Post Studio Track

Ganesha track - She decided for him. He had no control.

She forced him to reconcile with Ganesha. He had to because he had no choice. 

Initially I was ranting in ED thread like so many my other friends then...why would anyone force faith, following on an atheist. We had debated on it at length and I was like get it over with Ganesha track where Madhu keeps forcing him to something. For me setting an equation or repair of relationship with God is deeply personal and I felt bad that Madhu is doing it to RK. Ofcourse, I was not knowing why the track was being played and it ended in him surrendering himself before Ganesha, with no choice. The way it ended it swooped us off our feet...but my regret at heart-filled pleasure was that my good friends then, Peach, Bhoomi and FQ would not partake my pleasure and were like we will come back once this track done. Bhoomi left IF and FQ came back after Ganesha track and Peach was with me,,,,,but like no comments. I felt company in Hima, Sima, Zoya and Preet then.

Getting Shot Track and Shamsher Arrest Track  - She decided to save his life and he might have repaid in kindness by 1) protecting her from loss of faith in father 2) when it came out by protecting her against his family's hostility.

She saved his life twice, and showed him her reasons why she did //that. He had to agree with all that. And in one long day and night of the day following his discharge from hospital...the jagraata track...he saw Shamsher coming to kill him. That night he understands how much she loves her father...and all goody goody things happening and following on to Shamsher Arrest Track.

He was fully in control of everything here and he gets to decide everything for her, except her saving his life.

Karwachouth Track - She decided for him and he has no control.

By this time, we the viewers are sold the love story and we like it. And I was like, I know by keeping the Vrat that HE HATES, she is forcing him to honor the marriage and which Rishabh cannot go back...as he cannot let her down. Like again leaving no choice. I knew that Rishabh hated Karwa Chouth and it will upset him. But in the name of love story, I knew Rishabh will set aside his hostility and principles with the custom and complete the Vrat for her.

What did he get to know of Madhu during Karwa Chouth ? That she can give up her life for her Zid. She is as reckless as him. And she was able to force out of him, which he never planned.

Question: Did he like that all ? As a viewer my mistake is...I never asked Rishabh Kundra...how do you feel ? Did you like it ? All that soft coercion ?

Maybe this is where things changed for Rishabh Kundra and he wanted to control Madhu's love story, instead of her controlling him...to which he was inadvertantly losing.

May be this is where he devised that test of love based...Will you come away with me. It hurt his ego when she turned it down...He got to know, through Trishna...what was stopping her from accepting his proposal. He fixed all her problems knowing then that she will come away with him.

What was again forceful was him reconciling with his mother...but now it was a small carrot to lose himself to her wish in his larger gameplan of controlling her.

An accident in the shape of Balraj happened for him. He could not lose her to Balraj and saves her. She is HIS to eternity, in love and in hate or may be until he lives. So he protected her from Balraj.

Now he is close to execute the final step of his plan...take her away...and ????? I don't know what happens now...what is his plan.

Understanding RK as Superstar and Movie Person

• He cares for his Public Image and will avoid scandal at any cost. He CREATES HIS OWN IMAGE in Media like many real life Movie Stars...like Shahrukh Khan created one for himself.
• I equate RK to two Filmstars that I know

1) Shahrukh Khan - He has said...he is hyper and every morning when he gets up he needs to be someone else other than Shahrukh. He doesn't have the confidence, satisfaction being Shahrukh, the way his wife Gauri is self-assured and at peace with herself. He says, he always acts out, while she is natural and never needs to be an actor...happy in being herself.

He feels stabilized through Gauri's presence in his life. 

2) GuruDutt - He was creative, complex and morose person, though extremely smart and creative. He married the beautiful Geeta Roy and made her sacrifice her career as he allowed her to sing only in his films and then he developed withdrawal symptoms and withdrew from her. GuruDutt was also suicidal and tried two times earlier before finally committing suicide after he completely wrecked himself and sort of wrecked Geeta Dutt. They turned mutually destructive to each other.

There are stories of most Cinema people, how different they are at home and how totally unlike any regular person. They mostly are insecure people and very conscious of their Public Image.

Sourabh Tewari and VD have said that MEIEJ is about what happens once "Light, Action and Camera" goes down...as is what happens once the actor comes away from Light, Action and Camera. What he is like ? What is their life like ?

Now, I have never imagined a easy story behind Rishabh Kundra. I knew he had to be difficult person, a complex person like Virginia Woolf, James Joyce...as in being depressed or being extremely creative forgetting everything else.

When Sourabh Tewari had no love story in mind, may be he intended to show us this publically different RK who is media savvy person, but total opposite in private life. And he would have continued with that. 

Now ST may be he is planning to go to the original story and show RK in true light...which he cannot to anyone as he is private person. He might show himself to Madhu in full as she has been successful in crossing the moat around his fortified castle of himself and also broken his walls. May be the premise is ...precisely at this point, RK intervened and turned chameleon and gaurded Rishabh...with a condition...to let Madhu see real Rishabh only if Madhu gets ready to see him as he is ...all in his badness, his flaws, his ego, his control, his self-destructive traits ...or perhaps may be not...

Madhu will now have to know this person...the Rishabh which the world does not know...which is including the Bhatias and Bittuji. But Madhu will never understand a person like him fully within his world because she is not from the world of cinema nor she is an artist to understand complexities of artistic life.   

Question you will ask me...She was already accepting him...then why faking drama...The answer I have is ...he was not getting a way to tell her that SHE CANNOT DECIDE FOR HIM, that SHE CANNOT CONTROL HIM. She was winning over him leaving no choice and further FATE and CIRCUMSTANCES were AGAINST HIM and they seemed always to help her. And SHE WAS CLOSE TO GET HIM KNOW HIS REAL HIM.

Still...I am with you all...I understand a break, a hurt, a punishment...but I still don't get the word revenge fully...I seem to get it and then fail. All I know is that...only he can control her and he can decide for her. So if love should have happened, it should have been him and not her forcing it out of him. 

By Soundarya

My musings along the same lines as yours...going over and over the past 5 months. I felt cheated by ST, so badly, because he has been stringing us along just like Madhu, As a viewer, I feel I had the right to know RK'S ulterior motives. But then, if I knew, would i condone his behaviour and still feel as much for Madhu? Would it still be ok for him to play around with her, if i knew?? So I'm resigned to try and understand this complex story...

I have been thinking so much about this track...why revenge, for what? the desire to break her was always there, the love caught him by surprise.  At what point did he fall in love because he definitely loves her to bits..and at what point did his love combine with the desire to break her ?

I have many many thoughts running through my mind, firstly somewhere the KC track was the turning point. Remember he has two outbursts at her. First in the vanity van and second, when she cooks for him. He is not sure of his feelings for her, and she is already keeping a vrat for him, overwhelming him with her effusiveness, forcing him to respond. We never knew what went on in his head that night while he was making the decision to go to her, to break the fast. He was forced to acknowledge he cared enough to break her fast, so that she does'nt harm herself. then he does the whole KC in the studio, he is attracted to her but is it love? he does'nt know. For us viewers, we felt how could he not love her now? But for him, maybe he felt, she is forcing him to confront his feelings. And he does'nt like it. 

Love confession:This is the killer. That whole intense confession, was it an act?? Yes and no. he ackowledged to her he loved her, but he did the love test. Was it his insecurity, dipali's challenge to his ego, or his gameplan all along?? And why??? This is all about control then?? now I'm trying to fathom what you're trying to say above...

 never liked the love test. So am trying to figure out from this point onwards...

i have to go back and watch the episodes to understand further. But as usual running out of time. 

And btw I'm also asking myself...is this all worth it?? , me thinking so much about a serial that is. 

6th Feb Musings

Originally posted by vkk2429

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

For RK I am unable to figure it out.. If it is revenge for him.. and as Shri says he was pushed into the love confession and love test.. then did he love Madhu at all???

Krithika,

RK does love Madhu. Just that he chose to keep it private or play at his own terms. Anything that is elicited out of him without his initiation, he might not take it well...even if it is reasonable. The timing did not go well with him...I mean I knew this weakness of him even when I was not thinking of him to be faking/taking revenge as per this twist. He is his own enemy for happiness. Self-destructive trait.

Haven't we seen in real life...bosses around us, who though wanting their subordinates to get a solution and  yet will behave as if they did not ask for it...and when they ask it and we do it, and yet they are not satisfied. You know RK is so much dignified than the bosses I worked for when I started my first job.  Another boss of mine would for months (which can run to years also) not approve a solution, just because his ego doesn't allow it...its like for him...why did the idea did not come to me...now why do I have to approve...means he is such an idiot...he is the manager...he gets to approve, so why feel small...but he has to. I am telling you RK is so much better than the real life specimens I have worked with. 

By Kritika

Self-destructive trait it is...something that Dips had rightly said(even though I hate her)

I think she seems to have understood him better

We will see how it unfolds with a lot of patience

As for your real life situations..I feel your pain

By Myself

Kritika,

Look...not just this theory of egotistical person is playing in my head. I have another equally strong theory going in my head. Just that I never want to speculate too much and putting people to buy my ideas...But I am tempted to give you hope...so just listen out and though it might be just my imagination.

My theory is that (as explained in Media thread yesterday over page 36, I explained RK's reaction to various events when Madhu made him to do something)...it can also be case where his ego too might have understood and seen that her actions are actually warm for him and yet he knows that she is far too innocent, pure and inexperienced for him. AA says that RK wants Madhu to be tainted as him. I don't call it TAINTED...I call it EXPERIENCED. because for me Madhu is this 22 year old woman...whereas RK had to become his own grown up person since 12 years old with no one to emotionally support him and now at 29th year, he is this Superstar...and obviously, he dealt with all kinds of viciousness, competitiveness, deceit, lies, promises, hopes, frustrations of the world. He has to maintain two facets of his life...image in the limelight and person out of it. 

RK has a state of mind which is far mature than Madhu. So as a man who is attracted to this woman, he would also desire in her a mind that not just sees him naked like she is able to and not just heal it, but able to see the whys of his character without him having to sit and tell her. I feel sometimes he longs a partner that is mentally on the same level as him...not just the honesty and courage...the major difference between them is ...she is ideal, self-righteous and innocent...which is all kiddish in true sense...whereas he is realistic, not worried about being right always and definitely not innocent. I feel, this man would feel comfortable loving an experienced woman and not loving just a girl who needs to be cared, respected as a flower. I feel may be the desire kicks in him and may be he would like to make love to her...but I feel his experience makes him stop having an involved relationship with her, when she cannot even fathom the full extent of him...

And so I feel that he is breaking her, giving her hurt, trying to teach experience to her in his own way, recreating her...all by standing besides her like her protector, nurturer...as in he feels alone in this world...now he knows he loves this woman, but to make their relationship permanent, he wants her to know all that he went through...which will make her equal with him...she too now will know how to deal with deceit, viciousness etc...the thing is in this theory...I see that he is not allowing hurt to happen to her through outside sources, but he himself is teaching her.

I feel that many will not understand what I am saying...but I still say...just give it a rest and think slowly. At real it is difficult for an experienced person to talk to ignorant person...it will be like bhains ke saamne been bajana. We yearn to talk to people where wavelength matches. Now in what way RK and Madhu are similar and have a common topic to discuss, except the fact that they are terribly drawn to each other and like each other's attitudes. At the end of the day, RK might want to discuss something about cinema passionately...any topic...but Madhu will never be interested in it. So he is infusing all this into her... Another thing I feel that...he was deeply upset at her risking or being careless of her health and keeping karwa chouth for him and he wanted to teach her like a parent...that not everything can be achieved in life in that reckless stubborn manner...he seems like that already, but she proved to him that she is more than him and may be it scared him too and he wanted to keep a check on that...

Coming to today's episode, RK came across to me as an excellent manager. Never before I have seen him in such control. He controlled Dipali too. Previously he acted sort of weaker before Dipali, today suddenly he seemed to know which string of hers he has to pull to get the desired reaction for him. He seemed to me in today's episode, as a project manager, who was all going ahead with Pre-Go Live execution of his project and if that dry run goes smoothly, he is all set for the Go-live of his project. Such was his poise, such was tension about...it was not about Madhu or Dipali...it was about him in control of his plan of going away and the way it had to be executed. In all of this he did not fail to give support to Madhu...and he made maximum use of Dipali to give her right amount of curiosity and Disbelief. He had to give support to Madhu, because she was his soldier if he was the commander.

For me today's episode was like a thriller.

9th Feb Musings

Thoughts

I am frustrated with the huge build-up they came about for radical shift in the plot. What the CVs are doing is like a volcanic upheaval to set up a correction for an aberration that had gone wrong somewhere.

Of course, I knew the marriage may not happen, because it hampers the heroine track, but the revenge theme is so idiotic...but to me it seems NOW, the heroine track would have started only in independent/unmarried phase  for RK and Madhu like at the beginning of the story (Mukund days)  and so may be that's the reason again to re-establish the dead revenge between them to reinstate the antagonistic states.

But what does not make sense utterly is his masochist act to tarnish his own image by creating a public drama at the chawl. This though odious in itself, is the only thing that holds hope for an ulterior motive of his revenge drama and public tarnishing of his image. 

He has previously always been in news with Madhu, making them a well-loved couple, but this time by tarnishing his image, he is giving public sympathy to Madhu, who already had created waves in her mother's defense of Balraj's killing.

The Couple in Public's eyes (through Media)

1. When Madhu filed a case against him and he was taken to Police custody
2. When RK tarnished her image as his Lailaa
3. When RK married her
4. When RK came out of the studio lifting her in hands (cradle position) 
5. When RK was shot, not sure if they wrote Madhu saved him
6. Shamsher attack/arrest though known to chawl people, RK managed the press statements
7. 5 Years Anniversary Party for RK
8. Padmini-Shamsher Marriage - we are told RK is managing the Press statements
9. Balraj death, Padmini Arrest, Court trial - Full scale media coverage and Madhu is known in her own capacity but still as Madhubala Rishabh Kundra

Now the chawl drama is public...Seems he will make sure it reaches media...and if yes this is the first time he is creating a negative image of himself in public against Madhu.

So need to wait...

Feedback to Sourabh Tewari on 9th Feb

@saurabhtewari76 #MEIEJ EP-191-Sat.Wasn't the trauma induced inhuman? What if Madhu had heart-attack? I know the pain.Not done.

@saurabhtewari76 #MEIEJ - Sat'day EP-191. RK was a jerk & a cad. He might have reasons to make himself odious. But still it is inhuman.

@saurabhtewari76 @ColorsTV #MEIEJ - New promo.disgusting. RK now a masochist and creating sympathy for madhu through his haivaniyat ?

@saurabhtewari76 #MEIEJ New Montage-image of lovestory that can never return 2 its pristine conditions.u had 2 destroy it for heroine track

Why the upcoming drama might sell

Originally posted by dramacrazy12

Originally posted by leelaa9

Originally posted by Soundarya22Agree with you. I have become so involved myself, it is distracting me too much. Public humiliation of his love is something I did'nt expect... in fact Raghuvir Shekhawat's quotes say separation etc is all part of a love story. But public humiliation in a love story? am trying to think of other reel life parallels. 

 Anyway, after so much of tweeting from the MB team , i guess we have no choice but to wait and watch. They are tweeting because they want to keep the interest alive. Maybe worried that tomorrow's episode could bring on another eruption by fans.

Soundarya, there are plenty of reel life parallels.

This track is actually like a take-turns.It's a major success track in saas-bahu serials. I'm just jolted to see it in MEIEJ.
One person pretends to be bad for some reason, audience fumes and weeps.
Matters get sorted. A few other tracks go through.
Some months later, the shoe is on the other foot, and the other half of the couple is now pretending to be bad.
But since the dearly loved target has already played the role, it's harder to get the convincing and estrangement accomplished this time.
So be badder and more. Finally, track in place. 
Repeat, and score. It's a hit, any number of times.

@bold: Yes there are some but none to this extent and the backlash in each case has been immense...Salman Khan has an image of slapping his lady love in public. Karishma's divorce and custody battle was really ugly...especially in light of the fact that the couple eventually reconciled. Regardless the fact remains that they have done irreparable damage to RK's character and they have not done any favors to Madhu's character either.

@purple: The way I see it, every show has a niche and timing not unlike movies. We have moved through story based movies (oldies) to action movies(AB movies, Sunny deol) to Romance(hahk, mpk, qsqt) to a more realistic and balanced storylines. There was a time story based shows were immensely popular like Buniyaad, nukkad and epic hum log. Then Ekta kapoor style shows were immensely popular- twisted plots, plastic surgeries, illogical revenge plots, multiple marraiges, generation leaps formed the backbone of the show spiced with indian culture and functions. They were fascinating  for a while and then everyone started getting bored...if you see her shows are not rating very high of trp scale at this point. Then we moved on to romance based dramas- sucess of KMH, IPKKND, Geet are all testament to it. Now people are beginning to look for a balance between genres. I am not saying that the older genres are not popular just that viewers expect a more sleeker and tight script with a logical progression.

MB debuted as melodrama but trp troubles pushed it into romance genre, they served saas- bahu drama and kitchen politics...despite being illogical we took it instride but now they have gone overboard.I often wonder how is it that the writers are unable to see the clunkiness of plot though it comes intutively to us.

From my perspective...we don't have any choice..if you like it... see it or move on to something more interesting. I think when a writer says" do not get invested in my writing because it is fiction", he is saying I screwed up and I am not sure how to fix this now. As for seperation being a part of lovestory...yes they are but they are almost always due to extraneous factors not by making of couple themselves due to some unfathomable reason.

By Myself

As I track MEIEJ TRP performance vis-a-vis the story elements, I have seen they are being true to catering "larger than life drama".  And for exactly the same reason...forget the teens here, look at wives, mommies, working women...we are conditioned to have stable entertainment, that will not let us get evoked in questioning thoughts, but put us to sleep, by dulling our senses, so that we get up again for the next morning rigamarole of kitchen, housekeeping, groceries, laundry, work, commute, networking with family/friends etc...we are now drawn to this drama. Why, now instead of changing the channel, we are all watching this show...and look at our husbands and children and our friends...don't u see for the first time, or may be from a long time...we see our husbands non-plussed at our emotional involvement with the serial, our kids seeing our addiction, they know mommy is worried for some reason...but aren't they now considerate ?????

Its like in western movies...suddenly a house-wife wants her day-off from being a house-wife and so starts doing things for herself and she enjoys that time...and then her family appreciates her more for the loss they see briefly.  I am sure all you are feeling guilty for neglecting your families, but did you all see the change around you that ...your family might have become supportive of you...as if something ails you and they just want to give you time.

That's why I like good gripping story, bringing all your emotions out. Watching Telugu bombastic movies of Dasari Narayana Rao, my mother's face in in trance...its melodrama and loud...but as the dialogues grip her righteous, sagitarian mind, we kids instinctively knew what was pulling her in. Instead of the film, we used to watch her from various angles...brother used to call us sisters aside and poke fun at her, me used to admonish him and sister sometimes used to join him or mother her more...But what I am saying is...we used to enjoy watching mother transported from her duty of mother, wife, house-keeper and loved to see her emotions that otherwise we never saw over her tough exterior persona. That trance of hers used to make me see her in a different light and I guess, made me love her more.

So a drama has to be emotionally involving...and if it becomes loud, ugly, unrealistic to grab our attention, tempt a HARD SOUL as my mother, who thinks watching TV and Cinema is GUILTY PLEASURE, then I am ALL UP FOR IT. Because people like my mother  are repressed personalities due to assumed roles in their daily life...and ART is LIBERATING them from that. In the end, emotionally it is gaining for her and her family. She is healthy to have released something of her, given an adequate emotional response and likewise her family has seen a different facet of hers, without us getting bothered into creating that real life event scenario for her.

Hence, this is the reason, why MEIEJ, in the name of LOUD Drama is selling. The more the drama, the higher the TRPs. You all need to judge from the angle of what is that pulls us to MEIEJ. Yes, the suspense is killing us, now suspense is gone, we see a despicable man...we feel like doing something to him...In all of this...just see to it, question yourself..."Is it the case of you being that BATMAN, SUPERMAN etc and wanting to save Madhu ? Or any other deeply desired expression towards which you are responding ?"

I am watching MEIEJ because I love the drama created by Rishabh Kundra. Madhu & Co. create a drama which is very mundane, police case karna against wrong, taking care of family, friends, leading a simple life...these are all aspects of life that I know about. WHat is NEW ? NOTHING. I am far better than Madhu & Co.  What is it that I do not know ? Rishabh Kundra. How does he save himself, how does he maintain his fame, how does he keep going inspite of his reckless living, how is he creative being a self-destructive man, Why he is so loved ? Why he is so charming ? Why are the promos saying...it is his dream to see Madhu attain fame in Cinema world ? What pleasure is that gonna give him...so look at me...I have a MYSTERY KA BHANDAAR. WIll I ever get bored  ? Nope.  When in August I joined, I saw the man marrying in drunken state...I wanted to see how people react. Seems everyone was thinking like me to waut for the other to react, while each of us enjoyed the drama. Thing is without giving money, the responsibility to be public witness of that marriage in real life, I was still enjoying a drama of bizarre kind and was testing my brain and heart on what they think...and till date it is like the INNOCENT state of my mind, which did not know, like a child what to judge about it. Laws are formed when we see repeats happening...but first of anything just stupefies us and bewilders us...and only slowly we start knowing to  REACT. So now Rishabh Kundra doing this to his wife...it is drawing our reactions like normal...because we saw a normal love story and we know how to respond...but again, Rishabh was never that normal person that we have in our lives...so why don't we just respect him as he is.

Yesterday I was telling Zoya...You know...I just don't care how much he torments Madhu in privacy...but the moment he does anything in public, as a society person, I will censure him. Yes, the saturday episode seemed a mindless drama to me instead of lambasting RK...because it seemed wierd and all pointed out to a purpose...on Monday, I might vehemently react and will need a spokesperson to voice my thoughts...that's when it occurred to me that RK is empowering Madhu by being a dirtying himself, taking all the onus of bad upon himself, he is himself telling everyone I am doing this to her...otherwise Madhu would have protected him.

Then I thought...why people are so afraid of public scandals majorly...and why some play with public...here in I found my answer. My mother fears society and that has been her downfall in many ways...she listens to its edicts too many times...my sibs escape it, they have always ran away from public gaze and like to be private...whereas I have been comfortable. I talk to people very naturally and keep doing my work...I have seen the public into their eyes in an abstract manner and I never fear it like my mother...though this have never fixed my stage fright or to be the presenter...but thing is I know in my case, what the society wants of me...And yet I am not afraid to fight with my father in the same public, if its going to achieve something. I become the bad disrespecting girl and yet I had answered  the society; at that expense of my social good girl image, that I give a damn about your patriarchal bull shit, I am here talking to my father and he and I know what it is about and none of this will jeopardize anything between us, but he will know how to be considerate to his family...Its a way of teaching him of what he would have never thought me capable of doing it.

Inspite of all this...I want society to say what it has to say...but also I am saying...MEIEJ or other soaps, do question things that bother us at the back of our mind.

12th February

4 slaps Powerplay - The stated reason of the revenge

Originally posted by dramacrazy12

I have two theories in works. I have posted them in the other thread.

I am not sure how I interpret the curses...RK is already cursed so as to speak as is Madhu. For that matter not a single character on the show has a normal happy life ...maybe Roma and Bittuji.

May I quote something from my fav american show " True love is rare and pure magic...It can break any curse, no matter however evil" so I am hopeful.

@Shri: Are you subscribing to RK's revenge theory?

@bold

There are no theories here. I am judging actions of the man. I am understanding as it makes sense by what has been shown so far.  He said revenge...so be it. I don't have to unravel his inner need, when my greater need is to censure his actions in public, for what he did to a girl and her family. He did not drop the daughter in a silent manner, he had to make it loud public demo of it. People enjoy the drama. What about the trauma induced on Madhu and Padmini. Even if it is not revenge, how do you justify his tainting of her. He was no social man. It seemed he was from the enemy clan and he had his ravage done and left the place. Look at the devastation...At this moment, only that matters to him...and he is not bothered how all of this will affect him psychologically.

Can anyone explain me...why people get riotous ? How that seed is planted ? Or where do that idea comes out from ? It is just buried out somewhere in the character recess, and under conducive conditions, it catches fire and burns down everything. Rishabh Kundra had his pillage done over this victorious riot of his...he does not know the collateral damage...and that is what I am more interested in. 

What is interesting question at this time is..."Was this his first revenge ?"  "Does he deal unscrupulously even with others... like he dealt with Madhu;  in grabbing movie offers from his competitors ?"

Personally with  family, we have seen him ...in control. Professionally...what does he do.Introduction scene in June.....He asks his Producer, enough of shooting...upsetting the production schedule...he sits in his vanity van and asks his spot or make up man to give a shave...and then chuckles aloud and chats gleefully with his hairdresser...now the producer will stop bugging him for shooting until his beard grows. I got a cold shudder when I watched this scene as VD drawled out those dialogues. 

So if this man can play with his producers, throw his starry weight around...sometimes causes them day-shooting expense loss and sometimes takes the expense caused by him into his account...been shown to us that he gets whimsical and gets away with it because he knows how to control all of it...then wouldn't it irk this man to be challenged by a 21 year old girl from nowhere...his entire understanding of world around him is challenged...He is playing with men who invest in millions around him and here this girl has started to play with his life...that's where his mind has got fixated to end her. Its pure power-play. Seemingly everyone thinks Madhu is simple girl...in RK's mind she is not simple...she is as crazy as him and can challenge him. While she unknowingly made him as her mark, RK knowing made her as his mark. Its the streak of madness they have..as they look into each other's eyes ...that justifies revenge. She is his equal opponent. So her 4 slaps are miniscule for us, but apt answer for RK ki aukaad in Madhu's eyes...but in their world...those slaps are magnified power play. Like 4 slaps could have been many millions of his play with so many other producers or what not. Those 4 slaps must have eroded his image in the industry to an extent...and may be that is what he is so fixated about.

Love has just been introduced between the two as tool. Lets see where it goes.

Originally posted by _charu_

that's strange Shri..bec. he never thought of taking revenge from Dips this was one incident where he was throwing his weight around..may be it's hatred with Madhu but people he abhor are right in front of him but he's okay with them , not taking any action? sikky and kuku mock him on his face , what did he do? 

There is a difference. Those are the people he was with before he became a powerful man.

Now this powerful man, previously abused/bullied/cheated by the three of them...is now feeding them. They live on his charity. He now gets to say them ...You are furniture...ghar se baahar phikwa doonga etc etc

They are total besharams...not even worth polishing his shoes in his eyes. They don't have any status in his eyes...and his daily kick is to verbally abuse them as and when he wants.

Did he add Madhu into that category ? NO. She is worthy of his revenge plan...of his brain time...when does he get the idea? When the Police Inspector (supposed to be a man of some power) submitted to Madhu and he became her messenger to deliver her bangles to him. Basically Madhu, was totally challenging RK's man-hood, character and his brain.

Did Dipali do any such thing ? All she wants is his body for one night and she is ready to be called besharam, behayaa...how low is that?.

Charu...seriously ...this is mind game and you need to add power play while understanding the dynamics of the mind. If you are not understanding, then my advise stop looking for simple story and just go with the flow the way CVs show you. They understand their characters better than us.

Do watch VD/RK scenes from June to August...he is not a rosy man to look at...he gave shudders to me for june scenes, he gave me creepy, eerie feeling when he faked forgiveness to Padmini and offerred Trishna the item girl role...basically, he was eerie man of whom even Madhu was scared at times, but not backing out even as she is nervous...only after the marriage...RK looked more bombastic and dramatic than scary.

It also could be his driving agenda to people inside industry or outside, how ruthless he can be...by striking one Madhu, he was striking many other imaginary Madhus...sending out a message to people...NO one takes a panga with him.  when he first married, he asked his crew to laugh at him...and when he now abandoned her at the chawl, he dared all the people, if they can ever think of slapping him...

Its his status that he is protecting vis-a-vis his fight with Madhu. Also, seems he had a time frame decided in his mind, to finish the revenge game...like the faster the better...just that Madhu was not breaking easily.

As for love...he is in denial mode. He is not ready to believe that he has fallen in love with Madhu as much as she loves him. Collateral damage for him in this sly revenge game was him getting addicted to her presence in his life, him falling in love with her. He himself became the damages to his revenge game and Madhu and viewers will have the last laugh

By DovesView

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

Can anyone explain me...why people get riotous ? How that seed is planted ? Or where do that idea comes out from ? It is just buried out somewhere in the character recess, and under conducive conditions, it catches fire and burns down everything. Rishabh Kundra had his pillage done over this victorious riot of his...he does not know the collateral damage...and that is what I am more interested in. 

@SD: WORD! Love that paragraph above!!!! Had to come out of my burrows to simply say so especially with the one above.

Rant at the Forum Crowd
Do you girls love RK so much that you are so pained for him ? It just doesn't make sense why you cry even when he as the bad person got cursed...Give it a rest. Don't be like Madhus. She started the stupid story of sending him bangles and jail and the game started and all that for Mukund. You think that was very intelligent of Madhu ?

So give it a rest now. If we explain something about him...you crib. We keep quiet, even then you crib. Just give the man the space he needs. Take him or leave him.

By Surabi

Honestly, I don't get it. People are worried that Padmini cursed him. Half of the forum inspite of the tweets and insider theories think it is pure revenge. Then how can padmini, who is out of it totally, privy to that sacred info. that he has some hidden secret reason for doing it? I feel that any mom who see her daughter in such a condition standing totally helpless infront of a ruthless person who inflicted that damage would curse at least in your mind. She cannot stop and think- "wait! why is he behaving like this? He must have a good reason for this. Let me find it out and solve it for the happiness of my daughter." For her her daughter is cursed for life and the least she can do is hope for the same for her tormentor. It is another thing that as viewers we know at some point they may get together and then her curse will affect Madhu also. She does not know that...

Sometimes, I think that I am too old to be coming to the forum because I cannot understand people's reactions. There are girls who are happy to see the "evil RK", his "sexy smirk", his "awesome dialogues". so what if he is doing the maximum psychological damage possible to a girl and if the dialogues inflict the maximum possible humiliation to a fellow human being. Is it me who find it odd that humanity is gone from the world? I mean you don't have to sit down and cry but empathy or sympathy or some kind of emotions to that girl- even if she is fictional? Tell me shri, am I being unreasonable in expecting that? I cannot understand their mindset. Please explain since you seem to have answers for everything. I now understand where people come from when they say things against a raped girl saying how she invited it upon herself...It makes me so sad. I aslo wonder- if RK was not this handsome will they react the same?  Please give some explanation so U will feel there is hope in this world...

By myself

Surabi,

Excellent post. You voiced my frustration. They gave us a nice episode yesterday, making us feel good and yet the wallowing and wailing and justification, more than anything else ...just left the bad taste for me...so much that I forgot to tweet ST that yesterday's episode was good. Why does anyone want to justify RK when he himself is saying yes, I did this, and yes I don't have heart, and yes it is filled with poison. Its not that he lied and we are getting to know now. The guy had been shouting about that standing over rooftop...so how about a little bit of sense from our side and respecting him for what he is. A raavan is a raavan even if he is the greatest Shiv Bhakth. And strange it is but demons get the fastest way out of the world...they get salvation faster than Gods...Okay I am delving into something abstract and so I will stop now.

I think, we should just look at the posts and if they do not make sense, just leave them. What can I say...this is my age and experience finally fighting back to find some kind of sanity.

But a huge thank you...because you made me feel better. 

16th February - Who drove the revenge?

For me it is the other way round. Rishabh is the weaker, introverted personality. RK is the Super Ego of Rishabh, stronger and extroverted personality. RK's primary job is to take care of Rishabh's demands. Rishabh drives RK to do what he wants.

Madhu has never liked Rishabh. She likes RK, the happy extrovert self, when it forgets to take care of Rishabh. This is where she had bought in RK 's deal in going away to some place. Her negotiation was that she would forever be able to reconcile Rishabh and RK into accepting her whole-heartedly and she will have all RK for herself.

Madhu knows that it was Rishabh which drove RK to do what he did, but she does not like that RK went to such an extent of faking that she did not get to see when RK was real and when faking.

If I am confusing you all...to simplify, 

I say that RK is the persona which acts ...as in be the superstar, or be the man sleeping in his trackpants on his bed. He is the one waking up in fear seeing his mother scared and unable to see himself in the mirror. He is the one who broke Madhu's heart by saying revenge and faking, he is the one who is now preserving Madhu's memories.  Good or Bad , this person is healthy and flowing.

Rishabh on the other hand is the person whom no one can see, as RK has locked him up at the express command of Rishabh. It is this Rishabh, who is extremely demanding, possessive of  RK himself and will not let RK live a wholesome life as he gloats in pain and relives the pain. It is called some kind of psychological behaviour, where the object repeatedly creates hurt for himself. What Madhu did is, she fixed some of Rishabh's hurts because Rishabh in his revenge plan allowed RK to use those insecurities. Now we do not know what more Rishabh has held back. This is where we will get to see how much now RK is going to go against his weaker personality...because it is now time for RK to choose between Rishabh and Madhu...and RK knows that Madhu loves RK though she accepted RIshabh too; but with a plan to cure him.

By Angeena

Most of this .. in fact almost all of this went over my head.

You make it sound as if there are two minds with their own thought processes separate of the other in one body. My mind just can't handle such complexities. But I'll have a go ...

So RK is the persona which Rishabh wields to protect himself. RK is what the world sees and Rishabh just lets them see what he wants. Meaning that RK is just a part of the whole that is Rishabh.. Am I at least on the right track?

Responded by myself

Angeena, Yes, you are on right track. Got my pulse.

This is what I had deciphered in September 2012 about MEIEJ and it always works for me to understand the story.

Ishq - 

• RK's ishq is caring and being possessive about MB. There's certain level of deewanapan in the way he's after her. Be it to show his smirks or making his peremptory demands, its his expression of admiration for her, attraction for her and the desire to be in her company. Cluelessly enamoured royal tiger...I may as well be shameless and say seems in perpetual heat when around MB.
• MB's Ishq - Am guessing that it too will be possessive like RK. And her ishq so far has an expression of giving spontaneous response to RK's any kind of act. She just can't stop reacting to him. Cluelessly affected by him. She is angry, child-like, demanding, puppy-faced, looking teased and a royal queen.

Junoon - 

• Rishabh's junoon is to hide away under his mask or be a recluse in his cave. His junoon is also to conserve his Super Ego. Those who strike it, they are GONE! That's why MB has been the target. She questioned his thought-process, his way of living.
• Madhu's junoon is to fight for others cares without any thought for her. She goes to insane limits. Take the case of Mukund, Shamsher Malik... and now it is RK and her standing up to restore his faith in his friend and care-taker Ganesha'.and soon a day is going to come when she will decide to take care of Rishu, when she understands that Rishabh's way of living is not a living but a coping to live through'..her eternal fight with Rishabh.

Can there be love again between them after all that revenge ?

Originally posted by dramacrazy12

My comment at the end of today's episode was "Why does love have to be so hard?"

Responded by myself

@bold

I wonder about the same. But then only loving makes it easier with condition being the objects should merit the love. If it starts hurting and more than hurt, seems useless, it better be killed into indifference for that object.

And I want to make it contextual with MEIEJ

Madhu though hurt in love, she will be so proud to know that it was worth it. She changed the man she loved. That man today is seriously not the one whom she married and definitely not the one who later was faking drinking to create fear in her about his drinking.

The man inexplicably spurned her love in his ego to be free of her resolute personality, and yet obeys the ordinances she set for him...that he fight away his insecurities, that he stop his drinking, that he fix his hurt... 

However since love is not one way traffic, it has been useful for him, but useless for Madhu...and kill she will ...turn her love to indifference. 

This is where the challenge is for writers to weave a story, where how a man who spurned love will now again try to woo an indifferent woman. It seems a mammoth task to me...Yeah!!! I agree, I have no creativity for fiction writing...

Originally posted by dramacrazy12

@bold:I agree Shri...To me this is the biggest challenge...a herculean task for RK since he has desensitized Madhu to all the usual methods of wooing.

On the other hand...that is why I think that Bittuji and Radha rushing with match-making plan is a good idea. Madhu has detached but she has not walked out completely...she is standing at doorsteps. Her indifference is not true yet...it is feigned. Her heart still yearns and cares for RK and they plan on taking advantage of that very fact.

As for my comment ...I have always convinced myself that since love is so rare and coveted ...it is obvious its price has to be too high too. I see love like a rare flower that blooms for couple of hours after years of care and nurturing. It is a spectacle that forever stays with you and changes your perception of life.

It is for everyone to decide for themselves if they would pay the price to see the rare bloom or not? Would they put in the work needed or not? One could always argue that the price and work needed is not worth it.

Responded by myself

@bold

I will advise that it is worth it. But I will also say, it is worth it only for the convinced and pure persons that make them strong personalities. Cannot say about weaker personalities, because ignorant people make foolish and snobbish of themselves, but bitter people who failed in love brew more bitterness and spew more venom in the world.

One should understand that Loving is Losing oneself to the other...in love. And if losing yourself hurts you, then u are incapable of loving anyone other than yourself.  And also all relationships necessarily do not end up in gain, sometimes relationships are unsuccessful as well. That does not mean love was not pure between them. 

23rd Feb 2013

By PreetD
I definitely think that my mental disorder line of thinking was a bust and a conversation with Shri left me contemplating another theory I had had a while ago but I had discarded for some unknown reason (likely because work has kept me too preoccupied to think too deeply on the subject too often).

I wondered if RK was so self-destructive that he would destroy this relationship for a sense of self-preservation in the future.  There are many examples to be found in American soaps and television where a couple (or one person in the relationship) will decide to end a relationship before it can run it's natural course in fear of what might happen if they don't take control of the situation. Jason and Elizabeth (the great love story of General Hospital that never really got a fair chance) have been in love forever but because his was a dangerous life he and Elizabeth (after many incidents) decided that they couldn't ever be together for the safety of the children but as fate would have it their son died in an unexpected accident that had nothing to do with Jason's dangerous life style.  House went off the rails on House M.D. and sabotaged his own relationship with the woman he loved when she was facing death (she survived I believe).

If you'll recall from the night of the un-wedding RK compared their love story to that of one in the perfect movie.  RK is an extremely filmy man, he himself said that he's the one that decides the endings to his movies.  Often in his musings/conversations he refers to real life in the form of reel life (eg. Padmani and Malik's love story being compared to a great picture).  So here's RK, he's had everyone that he's ever loved taken away from him.  Even though he's been assured that Madhu would not leave him this does not mean that fate might have other plans.  Madhu may never willingly leave the RK that she loves but there are many things that life can throw at us that can separate us from our loved ones (death for example - which became all too real a possibility).  Perhaps part of this fear too was that Madhu may not love the darker parts of him, which he was doing a good job of hiding but were still very much a part of him, and might leave him if he did something that crossed the line too far.

Was any of what he experienced with Madhu a lie?  Nope.. He fell and he fell hard everything he experienced was extremely real (the reactions he had to her while they were married and living together in love are similar to the ones he has now when he senses she's in pain).  It was the greatest romantic film and it was his real life, only being RK he had to control the ending.  He couldn't take the chance (especially after a few near misses where he thought he could have lost the woman he loved beyond reason) that anyone but him could dictate the ending of this love story.  Before fate or Madhu could separate him from the love of his life he wrote the perfect ending and ended it himself.  What does he take away from it?  All the beautiful and sweet memories of his love he can think back on fondly in his own private moments.  What he didn't anticipate correctly was just how difficult it would be to move on peacefully with just the memories.  It's one thing to execute the perfect plan but an entirely different thing to deal with the aftermath.

Why was he so harsh to Madhu?  He needed her to buy it, the 4 slaps were a convenient reason to use as that had what had started him on this journey of love to begin with.  Had she not slapped him he would never have married her and thus never have fallen in love with her.  He needs Madhu to leave it be, not question his motives as the woman was so in love with him that anything but the harshest, most devestating reason would not persuade her to leave him.  She had already forgiven him too many things easily, every time he thought he might lose her she came right back.  Right now Madhu is dealing by being strong on the surface but the poor girl is heartbroken and still putting the pieces together, she cannot see beyond her own pain to notice that perhaps there are ulterior motives behind RK's actions, just as he had planned.

What RK had not counted on was Madhu coming back into his life. I'm going to use a terrible example because I hate both the books and movies but have seen them because my sisters love them, but in the Twilight books Edward leaves Bella in a terrible manner making her think he doesn't love her to protect her and is content in the thought that as long as she's alive and happy somewhere in the world he'll be fine.  Similar thing here, RK instead has done this for his own self-preservation (in his mind).  He's not left Madhu alone, only without his love.  She still has all the emotional supports she's ever had, if not more.  There is still love and family surrounding her so in his mind he's decided she'll be fine, he's made sure that everything was right in her life.  If he truly wanted her to pay would he not have kept her around so that he could continue to dictate everything in her life?  He's let her go, maybe in a few years she'll meet a nice man and fall in love again, have a family (all things he told her he wanted to rob her of the morning after their wedding).

Seeing Madhu in front of him every day reminds him of the pain he's caused her and prevents him from just keeping hold of the happy memories and starting on the next chapter of his life.  Every day he needs to now put up an act, the act that he put on during their un-wedding.  The fact that he's an idiot for thinking he has any sort of real control in these matters is a whole other topic, thing is he thinks he does.  As people have noticed, he's not the same RK he used to be, he can't revel in his victory because he wasn't actually really victorious in anything was he?  She did change him (and this is partially something for the audience to hold onto as well - a light in the darkness so to speak) and were it not for RK's need to have complete control over everything in his life he would be with Madhu, loving her openly and accepting her love.  

As for Madhu, she's a young girl who's faced heartbreak for the first time in her life.  She's never not had love from those around her so for her to be confronted with the fact that the man she loved beyond all reason was not really in love with her is a hard pill to swallow but she's doing the best she can with it.  I'm not even going to get into the dress debate as a few people have already voiced my thoughts on the whole thing.  You have to look beyond the surface, think about everything she's dealing with and how she's still holding it together in the face of all of that.  There are two ways people deal with any sort of emotional blow, you can curl up in a ball and cry it out or you can go out and deal with it head on.  Madhu decided that for her the best course of action would be to go out and face it head on and if that meant seeing the source of her pain every day then why not?  What better way to conquer that pain and crippling feeling than facing it head on every single day and conquering it a little every single day?  Is she going to have a breakdown every now and then?  Of course, that doesn't make her any weaker, just human.

What Madhu didn't expect in all of this is the mixed signals that man keeps giving her.  One minute he's cutting her down and the next he's the caring man she fell in love with.  What game is he playing.  It would be much easier for her if he would just be the jerk that he wants her to believe he is at least then she wouldn't be forced to try and reconcile the man he keeps trying to be in front of her and the man she glimpses during his weaker moments.

Anyways, I don't know if I made any sense here, it's late and I talked a lot today about this topic and sometimes it's hard to get the sentiments you express verbally written down with the same feeling hours later.

By Myself

Preet, 

Thank you very much for that post on Page 16. 

Hope it helps peeps a little here. Let's see now.

Kodai, 

You may get the answers that you are looking for if you read PreetD's post on page 16. And along with this I am not sure, if you read all the threads. If not you can go to my blog and check the compilation for 

1. Rishabh Kundra and his Planned Revenge
2. NEW DNA of Rishbala romance

What's happened in the presentation of the 1st track and what's happening now in the 2nd track, if you put them together in succession and understand the behavioural patterns of the two (Rishabh Kundra and Madhu), you will understand what Preet is explaining on Page 16. This is also the 2 week period (Episode 191 to 203)  that people were supposed to keep patience to hang on to get few answers if not all.

Address to my blog:  shrideviblog.blogspot.com

So ultimately its his perfect plan executed flawlessly falling apart and making him appear this cartoonish villain because he miscalculated his own self unable to go on with the aftermath as it suffered himself as the collateral damage in his plan and Madhu re-entering has made it difficult for him.

In all this...what I will further add to what Preet has written...Why he needs to control or create that larger than life drama for himself, why does he need to decide the endings of his movie, of course there is his ego which is manifesting on his every action.

When in Love, you let go of your self. Your ego has to be surrendered.

However, he being the creator of his own life (remember Rishabh turned into RK)  with his own brand name, he cannot surrender that image of himself yet. That ego cannot be surrendered. And for that, Rishabh the person that no one has seen for long except his mother, needs to surface. There is a lot of work involved here...so that means lot many episodes...and lot of twists. If you think this is giving you worry, then my advise to you, honestly, there is nothing to worry. The guy is honest. Until he understands everything will be bizarre. The moment he understands, he will start creating new drama. In the end he is the creator by choice where as Madhu is his Muse. Because she starts everything ...sort of becoming his inspiration. You need to understand the structure of their romance and then pretty much we can always enjoy the drama with all variants of emotions.

So again...be clear to segregate the creative aspect of their romance which involves their ego, and love aspect of their romance which involves their inexplicable love for each other.

IF in the creative aspect - He is the artist and she is the Muse, In the love aspect - He is the attracted to her and she is affected one.  Well...there is no major difference between the two words, but the way I perceive them is being attracted is active energy and being affected is the passive energy.

By Kodai

Originally posted by kodai

Shri & PreetD

Between your 2 posts, you have explained his thinking so well. I am so much clearer and it makes perfect logical sense - in a twisted way.  Thanks !

This is what I understood -  I will write the script of my life before God can go ahead & write it !! He seems so sure that  life  has a negative outcome for him - so wants to preempt it.  

Am I correct ? 

For a person who's blessed with so many things, he seems very blinded to be so negative in his thinking.  

By Myself

@bold - black - Correct

@bold 2 - orange - Correct

@bold 3 - red - yeah...morbid thinking. you can source back the feeling to the deception he took to heart. His father's death, his mom's remarriage, that idiotic Dips jilt.  Well these events now more or less are reconciled, but he seems to have focussed on one word  "abandoned" or "snatched"  Preet was saying that, we do not know what he must have actually felt (the emotional reaction of his) at seeing Madhu hanging in that same manner as his father, but definitely it must have forced him to speeden up his execution. Because in his plan or in his world of creation, Balraj entry was completely unforeseen by him, unplanned by him and he himself was the reason for bringing Balraj into their life unwittingly, unknowingly and Madhu could have been killed. God made him the instrument towards risking of his own happiness. So even if "God might have other plans" idea may have been pushed by him to the back of his mind. his almost fiasco with Balraj, proved his thinking that God definitely has something different stored for him. He must have thought...lucky I saved her today, now...I may not get another chance...and decided to go ahead. As for going for Picnic trip...was like him savoring his last of memories.

BTW: The slap/any action from Madhu and then RK taking the cue from there...that is what I call as the creative aspect. Because both of their egos work here in building the relationship between them whichever form it takes for them. 

By Kodai

His twisted  logic makes so much more sense/logic with this explanation - His reality is being "abandoned" and "snatched".  Couple of months back, there was this discussion on how creative people perceive the world differently and are so much more sensitive. 

A big thanks to all the analysis  - I am beginning to sympathize & feel protective about RK ( maybe that's why Bittuji is this loyal to him ).  He seems almost innocent - the lyrics of the song are so apt  'Duniya se hum hain begaane" .

3rd March 2013

The Dramatist talking to The Viewers.

Increasingly ST & CVs have taken this route to have the viewers pally along with them. We saw how in the entire Revenge Drama, ST managed the reconciliation between New Twist and Viewer Shock. If that went on for entire February month, they gave an official closure through the "Rishbala-Getting Drunk and Pouring their Hearts Out-needed for viewers and goal-setting for upcoming drama" Track over last three days. This officially is a declaration from CVs to the Viewers that, they need not go an did for skeletons from the graves and that there are no actual deaths and that it is still a running story.

Look at the way CVs achieved the shift of themes from Feb to March month.

Thursday - EP 207 -  Order of the Day-EVERYONE must attend the Party and GET DRUNK

While seemingly RK is yelling aloud to Madhu those instructions. But in reality it was for viewers as well. And like Madhu none of us walked away from the party, had the odd tasting cola from a broken bottle, being blind to the fact that seal is broken and we got drunk like her.

Yes, if you remember, we all called it stupidly contrived drama, discussed drunkenness, behaviour of regular alcoholics and one time drunkenness. Just like Madhu cannot say NO to RK induced drama, even us viewers cannot say NO to CVs induced MEIEJ drama. 

For ex: Other than my first episode take which was hugely being sarcastic, I saw that I had a calming effect with wholistic picture (in the circular fashion)  with my response to two takes from others that day. Check it out.

Originally posted by anastasia21

Since I'm so late, I won't get into the details of the episode. I just wish the transit between the last two episodes was a little more smoother. The KC scene came out of nowhere. We do not have KC ritual in my region but growing up with bollywood and tv, I think even I have the basic rules mastered (given that is how you are to do it in reality like they show on tv). Today, it felt the team have conjured up everything around the "drunk scenes".

With zero knowledge about liquor and its effect, I won't get into the debate about drunk RK's authenticity and will take you guys' word for it. There was nothing that I took from today's episode apart from the fact that love-lorn RK, when gets drunk, looks and acts hella cute.  Better I'll wait for today's episode and see things through before jumping down to a conclusion.

Plot wise, I'm at loss again. Where do the CVs want us to head? Ruthless RK, angry RK, shrewd RK, bereft RK, puppy faced RK - why is this show called Madhubala again? And aren't they moving a little too fast to give us these Rishbala moments? Are they really necessary plot-wise or the CVs just want us to stay put?
But then again, me complaining proves one thing. Its impossible to make everyone happy at the same time. 

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

Exactly my thought process. Each and every line. I almost had the same feeling and as I felt disconnected with the episode, my sarcasm kicked in...else honestly, I would have crossed on the video file.:D  See I love the show so much, cannot commit the wrong of NOT watching even if it is crap sometimes [Hopeless me!!!]

Originally posted by applenpeaches

All in the name of drama

I dont understand why Madhu decided to stay back for the party. Any other girl would have told RK that she already won the 30 day challenge, so she has nothing to prove to anybody, least of all to him and left that place with dignity! Dont get me talking on her drinking the odd-tasting cola in a party where Vamps and Vampire roam around unleashed! 

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

LOL!!! @bold

Peach, you couldn't come up with that yesterday when I needed it most. I had a crappy day with with one of the Sales guy making senseless manouevering of having his project get a priority at my desk. Now when you talk of vampire and vamp, it almost fits the situation I had ...So this Sales guy was being the Vampire sucking my blood and I was being a Vamp to him, for making him so manipulative to get his work done. True the world is one hell of a party with odd tasting cola drinks and vamps & vampires ruling the roost. Not even one coffee and tea tasted good yesterday.[Applause]

Friday - EP 208 -  The needed talk -Two inebriated souls talk to each other-The Viewers Listen.

As the drunken tete-a-tete progresses between Rishbala, the viewers get to listen of the lurking emotions at their subconscious level. As the viewers listen, they have their emotional reactions. 

Our ED thread is a witness to that, where we have excited emotional outbursts for 4 pages, we called for a cooling off period and when we resumed discussing it was all about our resignation to the new undercurrents of the story against the irreconciliable facts of the plotlines from the CVs.  Look at some of the conversations between people

Originally posted by Soundarya22

Could'nt watch the episode continuously  so not much to say:

Last but not the least, yes, it is revenge after all, i know we were  hoping there would be some grand reason that would absolve him of his heartless act. Now we need to move on as well...

Originally posted by kodai

So much for hope!  This episode clears it, his junoon for revenge was so strong that he had mortgaged his soul and heart to achieve it.  Well, if I have to make logical sense of the past 6 months, it's like Madhu said, "He didn't know when to say -Cut".  He lived his act and ended up with his acting as his reality.  

Hats off to the CV's & VD  - that they have  made a character with such capacity for manipulation - to look so vulnerable. Like Madhu, it's not possible for me to hate RK.  

It's you become what you act  in life - if I act at kindness everyday, it becomes a habit and I become a kinder person. He acted at loving Madhu so well, ended up taking care of her as a habit and ends up caring for her.

Originally posted by CHAKKU_DAAYAN] 

Oh god guys, atleast spare Right Kamina today. [Lol] He wasn't acting today, for god's sake [lol] Had he been acting, why would he act lost yesterday while searching Madhu when noone was looking at him? And why would he act with a drunk Madhu?

Originally posted by Gurtiluv 

the right kamina always use to act like he was in love with Madhu when Madhu wasnt around. He told Bittuji and Dipali not to question her character. Told Dipali she has a pure heart and told Bittuji she is always to your face never back stabs. You cant really expect coherency in the show naa. You never know what your going to get??

Originally posted by zoya_naziya

Sona, his love, his feelings, care and concern were as TRUE as the revenge itself... It's like revenge is the outset but the events of the last 5 months is the inset.. He truly lived every moment he spent with her..Nothing was fake... even today he told that he imagined her when it was dipzy... And here goes our dear ST's tweet "Nothin was a lie"

When the time came for him to put the curtain down, he knew his feelings for her are a liability... But then, he prolly thought that the happiness of his victory would snub and overpower all of those feelings... But that didn't happen... he was unhappy with his act... then he continued living with the consolation that she at her place and him at his place... but the second day, this girl lands up on his set, his whole game blew up right on his face... he lost in his own game and he also lost the girl... To supress his real feelings,with her presence around him, he tries to pacify himself to hate her but even that does not happen...

And then he says "takleef hoti hai, dard hota hai, par theek hai"--- I think he is trying to make peace and live with the consequences of his actions... I know the convo is still left but this is what I made out of it..

__________________

By apolloartemis

Good Epi- but I was a little irritated with how DD kept her eyes closed during a majority of the drunk scenes (or lowered them so much they looked closed. I kept getting distracted and thinking "Is this a drunk sequence or a sleepwalking sequence?!"

Liked the RK/Rishab dichotomy. A long while ago, we talked about how RK was the hardened exterior, but now we see that it is Rishab who is the catalyst- for love or hate. It's like-Rishab is active, and RK is reactionary- either to his inner Rishab or to Madhu. Rishab acts on love/hate. RK mops up the messes he makes. And ofcourse, reacts to Madhu when he can.  I hope that makes sense. It's not two different personalities in his head, but rather two differing persona depending on the circumstances- like masks one takes off and puts on. Both are real, but both have circumstances where it becomes "more real"

This made a lot more sense in my head.

But the drunk conversation was enlightening - in vino veritas indeed (means, in wine truth). I felt bad for RK (though to be honest, the pain expression was not very convincing because he was drunk), so I went and saw the feb 13th epi where Madhu was screaming for him, which helped me gain perspective.

And there is me, who could not be helped and recall RS interview few days back which clarified lot of things on the same line thus cementing the parallel interaction  with viewers on the current plotlines vis-a-vis past and future plotlines. RS has a reference to the new entry as well.

Originally posted by 0-SD-0

If you had listened to Raghuvir's Shekhawat's interview (link present in media thread), he clearly says, RK is grey, but that doesn't mean that he is all bad. There is definitely good in him and at times we have to tap that as well and that it was pretty much the time in present context. Plus Shekhawat also said that all characters in MEIEJ are not black and white characters, they are very human and flawed characters.

Saturday - EP 209 -  The promise - Reciprocate to my heart's wish and act upon your heart's say. Peace Prevails.

As the episode unfolds, we fall into a harmonic zone. You can see for yourself. There is only 4 pages activity in the ED thread. Ofcourse now the focus on the plotlines has shifted to all kinds of apprehensions over the new Entry, so much that once again some of the viewers have failed to see the Promise of Rishbala as established in the Drunken tete-a-tete. 

Here is the snapshot of few conversations that reflect the mood on seeing Saturday episode and Forum reaction to TB news on Aninash Rekhi.

By anastasia21

I take back what I said about this being a pointless track. While I still don't like that all these have happened while they were intoxicated, but I was fairly surprised today by how this track made me feel in the end. No, it was not an eyeopener for me like it has been for many. But now I realize that the track was not needed for plot advancement. It was for our emotional comfort. And somewhat for RK-Madhu's  too.

The first 10mins of today was in continuation from last 5mins of yesterday. RK and Madhu having a heart to heart. And in my opinion, that was genuine. What looked a little offbeat yesterday, was in perfect sync today. RK's honest confessions about how he thought he'dfeel and how he actually feels right now was something we're well aware of. Nonetheless, it was heart-wrenching to hear him say it because it made him so vulnerable and helpless. The ego-maniacal man was reduced to tears hearing Madhu say she'll never come back to him or never be able to trust him. Madhu turning back around and asking for a tight hug is what surprised me today. She was always in love. She melting at the sight of his breakdown was expected. But asking to be loved - that startled me. 

Not complaining though because this was the hug that every people in this forum have been waiting for. When it happened, I phangurrled for a few minutes too.

Here's what my issues with the track were plotwise. This was a pseudo reconcilement track in disguise. For a few seconds there, RK/Madhu also thought they have reconciled. Hence, Madhu says, "Hum ghar aa gaye?". RK tucks her in and sleeps by her side, like nothing is wrong in the entire world. People usually speak their heart or blurt out the truth when they are drunk, but the bottom line still is, they are not in their senses. This will not count because first, they'll refuse to acknowledge the friendly act when they sober up in the morning, and second, there's a fat chance they both will twist this into drawing a disgusting conclusion. Worse will happen if they don't recall the conversation in its entirety. 

But as a bereaved viewer, it was such a pleasure. Confirmation of their genuine love for each other, opening their heart up to one another, RK spreading his arms and taking her into the embrace when she runs upto him and not letting go, lying down by her side without any hesitation and drifting off to sleep with her fingers entwined with his - yeah, that felt like freaking rain in the desert. 

By pnars

Great review! I guess they're giving us a psuedo/temporary/drunken reconciliation so that we know where each one stands in their heart of hearts, and are setting the stage for the new guy's entry. 

I hate love triangles, I do understand the need for a third person or antagonist to move the story along (Deepali's character is spent, imo), but still, I hate triangles!

By kt25

@pnars - Why the tears? You yourself said that a new entry is needed to spice up the existing track since CVs have stretched thin the character of  Dips. They got rid of Ballu so soon and hence we don't have a formidable antagonist at the moment. Of course, we cannot count Kukkuji and Sikky as anything but clowns. So, think positive it will all be good because this new entry regardless of whether he is portrayed good or bad, the show will always be about RK and Madhu's love story which is exactly what the dialogue writer of the show said in his interview. They love each other way too much to stay separated for long and even if they do they will rush to the other when one finds the other in trouble or is in need. As I said in my post, sometimes a relationship has to end for the people involved to learn the lessons that are most valuable. This especially holds true for RK who as Madhu put it could have had all the love in the world but he just ruined it with his own sweet hands. He acknowledged his mistake and admitted his folly in a drunken state but he has to come to terms when he is sober as well and that is going to take some time with his giant ego coming in the way all the time. If it is anything, I think that the new entry will play a pivotal role in bringing them closer, atleast make RK realize what he could have had and what he had lost just because his ego wouldn't let him have it. Hope my post makes you feel better!

******************************

IMO, the second half of the episode was about  The consequences of "The Hangover" and the repercussions of the Drunken tete-a-tete.  People need to start researching on "Hangover" 

For starters, this is what I have to offer from online source.

A hangover pron.: /'h?o?v?r/ (medical terminology: veisalgia) is the experience of various unpleasant physiological effects following heavy consumption of alcoholic beverages. The most commonly reported characteristics of a hangover include headache, nausea, sensitivity to light and noise, lethargy, dysphoria, diarrhea and thirst, typically after the intoxicating effect of the alcohol begins to wear off. While a hangover can be experienced at any time, generally a hangover is experienced the morning after a night of heavy drinking. In addition to the physical symptoms, a hangover may also induce psychological symptoms including heightened feelings of depression and anxiety.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/hangover#ixzz2MVcTon6B

Madhu is already in that state and RK is taking his meds in the precap scene.